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LinkPizza 10/27/20 6:44:03 AM #12:	wolfy42 posted... You can either have a tiny bit more (as far as what you can afford/do yourself), or you can help a ton of people have a ton more because they are barely struggling to survive. But they should do that on their own terms. Not be forced to... Thats how you get people who dont want to help out others because they feel like they were robbed. Also, most people work for more money to be able to buy more expensive things. Or to retire early without ever having to work again, but still love a good life. Taking their money away because its more than they need to love sucks. And it makes people wonder why they should work a better paying job if they arent making much more because they keep getting it all taken away... likehelly posted... your roads are shit? then you did you just vote against raising road tax that's meant specifically to maintain your roads because you wanted an extra quarter on your paycheck? I wish they would fix out roads here. They actually do have the money to do it. They just wont. They tear up one road to start working, then set up cones and go tear up another road. And when they are working on the road, its usually one guy maybe doing something. And the others just standing around... wolfy42 posted... You don't take taxes for nothing, so if you are going to tax more, it has to be for a set reason, IE better healthcare or Social security, affordable housing etc. The problem is if its going to something good. Or will be used right. You listed some problems that could be solved with more tax money. But that doesnt mean thats what they will actually be used for. They could just give it all to one other thing that you rather them not give it to. But at that point, you have no control over that... wolfy42 posted... Donating yourself isn't really donating most of the time as it's a tax deduction, it's one of the large loopholes that the rich use (often donating to trusts or organizations under their control or that hires friends/family etc (and pays them alot with the donations) etc. Donating if you are taking the basic exemption...that is donating, donating when your itemizing and using the donations to offset what you pay, is just at best controlling where your taxes go (and quite often is avoiding paying taxes at all and diverting the money to relatives and friends). Thats if the rich do that. But if youre talking about normal people who already volunteer time, they probably actually donate to donate. And at least you know where you money is going. And that its going to a cause you care about. Id rather donate then have money stolen from me for purposes I dont care about... wolfy42 posted... Why is education for profit in this country? We could easily make it free and pay for it with taxes (and it would use WAY less taxes then we currently are basically using with student loans that won't get paid back in fact). Why is healthcare for profit, it could be paid for by taxes again, and again would be WAY cheaper (even then what we pay right now just for ER etc). More taxes (without really hurting anyone that is paying it, since it would be top end taxes over say $400k a year), enable alot of things that people struggle with right now, to be free, and not so inneficient cost wise. But the exact reasons mentioned above (for profit) is why most of that won't happen, and why most politicians won't fight for it, because more taxes don't just hurt the wealthy directly, but also indirectly by providing services they currently charge an arm and a leg for (and make billions of dollars each year from), like healthcare, education, prisons etc. They could use it for that. But just because they take more taxes from us doesnt mean it will be used that way... Just because you want your tax money to go to those things doesnt mean that is actually where you tax money will go... The problem is you think that just because they take more tax money, they have to use it for those other things. But thats not true. They can use it for whatever they want... wolfy42 posted... Provide that with taxes and you stop a bunch of very rich people from making tons of money, and they have all the power, so how will that ever actually come to pass if the people who actually have the power don't want it. But the underlying question is.....should people with so much, contribute to society to ensure people who don't have much have at least a basic happy life, with healthcare then can rely on, free education for their children at least so they can hopefully get jobs they like, housing they can afford etc? That also sounds wrong. Just because they have less money doesnt mean they have that much less power. They still have more money than the rest of us, meaning they still have more money. And that most likely wont change. Because they are usually in positions where they make more money. If something ever changed to make it so they made the same amount, many things people like will be gone. Because why be a CEO of a company if your not making more than someone else who has a job that consumes less time? Or why do some other job thats actually hard if you can make the same amount doing something thats much easier. So, theyll probably always make more, meaning they will always have more power... And like I said, just because you want your tax money to help everybody have a better life doesnt mean thats what your tax money will go to... wolfy42 posted... Donating to organizations doesn't really help, or at least I have not seen it helping. Changing laws, making things like healthcare free etc, that would help. Making more hospitals available so people don't get turned away, that would help. Allowing people to go to college without wracking up so much debt they can never get out from under it, and some just kill themselves because of it eventually, that would help. Donations, charitable orginizations etc, are great, and can be done on top of everything else, but honestly, we should have a system that ensures everyone has the ability to have a good, safe life at least in this country and eventually throughout the world. We have the technology to ensure that is true easily, so it's only greed at this point that is holding us back. I think donating to an organization would do more than your tax money going to who knows where... And those things you mentioned have charities. Hospitals (especially for children), college funds (or places that offer them), and many other things. At least that money would go to the things you care about. And to say they can donate on top of that is pretty dumb. I mean, they are already being robbed, and you want them to give up more. Most wont donate now since a huge chunk of their paycheck was taken... And I agree they we should have a system that ensures everyone has the ability to have a good, safe life. But I dont think more taxes are going to do anything to help with that plan... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:946356820] in Why is 50 ... [t:79066359]...</cite> <quote>wolfy42 posted...</cite> <quote>You can either have a tiny bit more (as far as what you can afford/do yourself), or you can help a ton of people have a ton more because they are barely struggling to survive.</quote> But they should do that on their own terms. Not be forced to... Thats how you get people who dont want to help out others because they feel like they were robbed. Also, most people work for more money to be able to buy more expensive things. Or to retire early without ever having to work again, but still love a good life. Taking their money away because its more than they need to love sucks. And it makes people wonder why they should work a better paying job if they arent making much more because they keep getting it all taken away... likehelly posted...</cite> <quote>your roads are shit? then you did you just vote against raising road tax that's meant specifically to maintain your roads because you wanted an extra quarter on your paycheck? </quote> I wish they would fix out roads here. They actually do have the money to do it. They just wont. They tear up one road to start working, then set up cones and go tear up another road. And when they are working on the road, its usually one guy maybe doing something. And the others just standing around... wolfy42 posted...</cite> <quote>You don't take taxes for nothing, so if you are going to tax more, it has to be for a set reason, IE better healthcare or Social security, affordable housing etc.</quote> The problem is if its going to something good. Or will be used right. You listed some problems that could be solved with more tax money. But that doesnt mean thats what they will actually be used for. They could just give it all to one other thing that you rather them not give it to. But at that point, you have no control over that... wolfy42 posted...</cite> <quote>Donating yourself isn't really donating most of the time as it's a tax deduction, it's one of the large loopholes that the rich use (often donating to trusts or organizations under their control or that hires friends/family etc (and pays them alot with the donations) etc. Donating if you are taking the basic exemption...that is donating, donating when your itemizing and using the donations to offset what you pay, is just at best controlling where your taxes go (and quite often is avoiding paying taxes at all and diverting the money to relatives and friends).</quote> Thats if the rich do that. But if youre talking about normal people who already volunteer time, they probably actually donate to donate. And at least you know where you money is going. And that its going to a cause you care about. Id rather donate then have money stolen from me for purposes I dont care about... wolfy42 posted...</cite> <quote>Why is education for profit in this country? We could easily make it free and pay for it with taxes (and it would use WAY less taxes then we currently are basically using with student loans that won't get paid back in fact). Why is healthcare for profit, it could be paid for by taxes again, and again would be WAY cheaper (even then what we pay right now just for ER etc). More taxes (without really hurting anyone that is paying it, since it would be top end taxes over say $400k a year), enable alot of things that people struggle with right now, to be free, and not so inneficient cost wise. But the exact reasons mentioned above (for profit) is why most of that won't happen, and why most politicians won't fight for it, because more taxes don't just hurt the wealthy directly, but also indirectly by providing services they currently charge an arm and a leg for (and make billions of dollars each year from), like healthcare, education, prisons etc.</quote> They could use it for that. But just because they take more taxes from us doesnt mean it will be used that way... Just because you want your tax money to go to those things doesnt mean that is actually where you tax money will go... The problem is you think that just because they take more tax money, they have to use it for those other things. But thats not true. They can use it for whatever they want... wolfy42 posted...</cite> <quote>Provide that with taxes and you stop a bunch of very rich people from making tons of money, and they have all the power, so how will that ever actually come to pass if the people who actually have the power don't want it. But the underlying question is.....should people with so much, contribute to society to ensure people who don't have much have at least a basic happy life, with healthcare then can rely on, free education for their children at least so they can hopefully get jobs they like, housing they can afford etc?</quote> That also sounds wrong. Just because they have less money doesnt mean they have that much less power. They still have more money than the rest of us, meaning they still have more money. And that most likely wont change. Because they are usually in positions where they make more money. If something ever changed to make it so they made the same amount, many things people like will be gone. Because why be a CEO of a company if your not making more than someone else who has a job that consumes less time? Or why do some other job thats actually hard if you can make the same amount doing something thats much easier. So, theyll probably always make more, meaning they will always have more power... And like I said, just because you want your tax money to help everybody have a better life doesnt mean thats what your tax money will go to... wolfy42 posted...</cite> <quote>Donating to organizations doesn't really help, or at least I have not seen it helping. Changing laws, making things like healthcare free etc, that would help. Making more hospitals available so people don't get turned away, that would help. Allowing people to go to college without wracking up so much debt they can never get out from under it, and some just kill themselves because of it eventually, that would help. Donations, charitable orginizations etc, are great, and can be done on top of everything else, but honestly, we should have a system that ensures everyone has the ability to have a good, safe life at least in this country and eventually throughout the world. We have the technology to ensure that is true easily, so it's only greed at this point that is holding us back.</quote> I think donating to an organization would do more than your tax money going to who knows where... And those things you mentioned have charities. Hospitals (especially for children), college funds (or places that offer them), and many other things. At least that money would go to the things you care about. And to say they can donate on top of that is pretty dumb. I mean, they are already being robbed, and you want them to give up more. Most wont donate now since a huge chunk of their paycheck was taken... And I agree they we should have a system that ensures everyone has the ability to have a good, safe life. But I dont think more taxes are going to do anything to help with that plan... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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