Poll of the Day > Why is 50 Cent getting hate for supporting Trump?

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FatalAccident
10/27/20 3:16:10 AM
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I get people dislike trump, and I get that as a black man 50 cent isnt expected to support trump but if Biden is legit going to make him pay significantly more taxes surely its understandable he wouldnt wanna vote for him?

Id think twice too if I was gonna pay 62% tax lol

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Yamato_san
10/27/20 4:19:26 AM
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Because the totally non-racist left thinks that black people should only ever vote one way as they're deemed incapable of thinking for themselves.
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FatalAccident
10/27/20 4:39:52 AM
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Yamato_san posted...
they're deemed incapable of thinking for themselves.
I dont think anybody is saying that

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wolfy42
10/27/20 5:00:11 AM
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I mean.........

If you make more than 400k a year, do you REALLY need to worry about being taxes 40% or 52% etc?
Money is great, but at some point shouldn't you start thinking about society as a whole and how improving it will probably ALSO improve your own life more than another couple hundred K a year will?

As far as the rate, you have state taxes to add in some places, but the base max tax rate I believe under Bidens plan is 39.6% with 12.4% for social security over 400k a year. That is 52% total, and only on income over 400k.

So yeah, if you ask me, any decent human being making more than 400k a year should want something along those lines, you still get tons of money coming in (many of them millions, some of em billions) but you help support the system and make it a better world for everyone.

I've made decent money before in my life and I would have been happy to pay more taxes on the top end of my income in order to ensure everyone had a safe place to live, health care, free schooling, less people in prison, good mental health etc. I certainly never made anywhere near over 400k a year though, at that point I would probably start my own foundation to help people directly (which btw I have done in my life even though I have never made over $100k a year, I have both finacially helped and volunteered to help people with my time and effort).

You can vote for who you want, you are free to believe what you want, but if you ask me if people should be willing to vote for someone who is going to make them pay more in taxes if they make over 400k (and mind you only on the income over 400k), then my answer is YES. If they are not monsters or extremely selfish, then YES they should.


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10/27/20 5:14:30 AM
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wrong think. thats a crime now.

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FatalAccident
10/27/20 5:20:55 AM
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wolfy42 posted...
and I would have been happy to pay more taxes on the top end of my income
I get everything else youre saying in your post and ideally thats how it should be (props to u btw for all that) but I think youre in the overwhelming minority on this point .

im nowhere near 400k a year but even my eyes water at some of the tax deducted from my payslip. Your argument is hes got enough money so he should want to pay more taxes. nah man, I genuinely dont know anyone who would want to pay more taxes

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LinkPizza
10/27/20 5:58:02 AM
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wolfy42 posted...
but if you ask me if people should be willing to vote for someone who is going to make them pay more in taxes if they make over 400k (and mind you only on the income over 400k), then my answer is YES. If they are not monsters or extremely selfish, then YES they should.

That doesnt really make sense. They can always donate to make sure the money actually goes to things that can help people if they want instead of going to the government who can do whatever they want with the money... And it probably wont get used on the stuff you want it to get used on if the government gets it... But most people dont just want to pay more money in taxes because they make more. They earned their money, which is more than others, so its theirs. But they can always donate if they think they have more than enough. Forcing them to pay more taxes would kind of suck for them...
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wolfy42
10/27/20 6:00:03 AM
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FatalAccident posted...
I get everything else youre saying in your post and ideally thats how it should be (props to u btw for all that) but I think youre in the overwhelming minority on this point .

im nowhere near 400k a year but even my eyes water at some of the tax deducted from my payslip. Your argument is hes got enough money so he should want to pay more taxes. nah man, I genuinely dont know anyone who would want to pay more taxes


I get I'm not normal, but honestly I have made over 60k before (back when that was actually a decent amount...IE over 10 years ago), and even at just that amount (which isn't really considered that much), I saved alot because I just didn't see what spending more money would accomplish. I had 2 cars, lived in a nice house, ate the food I wanted when I wanted. I didn't get to go on vacations, not because of money, because I was working too much. I just didn't have TIME to spend more money.

Now it's true, I did spend time after work volunteering for a wellness center, or later when planning on going back to college, I volunteered at El Roble after school (which actually ended up getting me my first teaching position even before I got a degree or credentialed in CA), I could have done other things with my time that were more expensive etc.

But yeah, how do people (well back then) spend over 4k a freaking month? I get that now many places your rent can be half that, and the cost of everything has gone up drastically, but back then I seriously couldn't spend more then 2k if I tried.

So yeah, I mean, if I was making freaking more than 5x that much, and someone said "We want you to pay extra taxes over 400k a year, but it will go towards improving the infrastructure (better roads, less traffic, better public transportation), it'll keep people out of jail and prevent people from suffering and it will help provide more healthcare services for everyone. I sure as hell would ALWAYS have been down for that, even if it was just for income back then over 60k, hell I'd have been down for it if it was for income over 40k back then and would have reduced how much I had to spend myself (because as I stated, I had more than I needed).

Everyone doesn't have to be like that, but yeah, if it was me, that is for sure how I would have been, and I still think most people should feel that way for income over 400k. You can either have a tiny bit more (as far as what you can afford/do yourself), or you can help a ton of people have a ton more because they are barely struggling to survive.

But yeah, I get thats not how most humans think. I'm really sad about that, but I get it.

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likehelly
10/27/20 6:05:00 AM
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no one wants to pay more taxes

but the shit people want done require money from taxes because our government is a shitshow of broken or non-functioning things that's being held up by strings at this point.

your roads are shit? then you did you just vote against raising road tax that's meant specifically to maintain your roads because you wanted an extra quarter on your paycheck?

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wolfy42
10/27/20 6:09:58 AM
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LinkPizza posted...
That doesnt really make sense. They can always donate to make sure the money actually goes to things that can help people if they want instead of going to the government who can do whatever they want with the money... And it probably wont get used on the stuff you want it to get used on if the government gets it... But most people dont just want to pay more money in taxes because they make more. They earned their money, which is more than others, so its theirs. But they can always donate if they think they have more than enough. Forcing them to pay more taxes would kind of suck for them...


Many things are not in effect because we don't have the money/taxes for it. You don't take taxes for nothing, so if you are going to tax more, it has to be for a set reason, IE better healthcare or Social security, affordable housing etc.

Donating yourself isn't really donating most of the time as it's a tax deduction, it's one of the large loopholes that the rich use (often donating to trusts or organizations under their control or that hires friends/family etc (and pays them alot with the donations) etc. Donating if you are taking the basic exemption...that is donating, donating when your itemizing and using the donations to offset what you pay, is just at best controlling where your taxes go (and quite often is avoiding paying taxes at all and diverting the money to relatives and friends).

Why is education for profit in this country? We could easily make it free and pay for it with taxes (and it would use WAY less taxes then we currently are basically using with student loans that won't get paid back in fact).

Why is healthcare for profit, it could be paid for by taxes again, and again would be WAY cheaper (even then what we pay right now just for ER etc).

More taxes (without really hurting anyone that is paying it, since it would be top end taxes over say $400k a year), enable alot of things that people struggle with right now, to be free, and not so inneficient cost wise.

But the exact reasons mentioned above (for profit) is why most of that won't happen, and why most politicians won't fight for it, because more taxes don't just hurt the wealthy directly, but also indirectly by providing services they currently charge an arm and a leg for (and make billions of dollars each year from), like healthcare, education, prisons etc.

Provide that with taxes and you stop a bunch of very rich people from making tons of money, and they have all the power, so how will that ever actually come to pass if the people who actually have the power don't want it.

But the underlying question is.....should people with so much, contribute to society to ensure people who don't have much have at least a basic happy life, with healthcare then can rely on, free education for their children at least so they can hopefully get jobs they like, housing they can afford etc?

Donating to organizations doesn't really help, or at least I have not seen it helping. Changing laws, making things like healthcare free etc, that would help. Making more hospitals available so people don't get turned away, that would help. Allowing people to go to college without wracking up so much debt they can never get out from under it, and some just kill themselves because of it eventually, that would help.

Donations, charitable orginizations etc, are great, and can be done on top of everything else, but honestly, we should have a system that ensures everyone has the ability to have a good, safe life at least in this country and eventually throughout the world. We have the technology to ensure that is true easily, so it's only greed at this point that is holding us back.

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Xfma100
10/27/20 6:11:45 AM
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LinkPizza posted...
That doesnt really make sense. They can always donate to make sure the money actually goes to things that can help people if they want instead of going to the government who can do whatever they want with the money... And it probably wont get used on the stuff you want it to get used on if the government gets it... But most people dont just want to pay more money in taxes because they make more. They earned their money, which is more than others, so its theirs. But they can always donate if they think they have more than enough. Forcing them to pay more taxes would kind of suck for them...

Implying that all organizations people donate money to are legitimate... You still face the same issue that you mentioned.
After the money leaves your pockets you don't know where it goes.

FatalAccident posted...
im nowhere near 400k a year but even my eyes water at some of the tax deducted from my payslip. Your argument is hes got enough money so he should want to pay more taxes. nah man, I genuinely dont know anyone who would want to pay more taxes

While I agree. Is it really so bad that a rich person can't buy one more expensive car, yacht, jet, house, etc. a year if the money actually goes toward helping the less fortunate?
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LinkPizza
10/27/20 6:44:03 AM
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wolfy42 posted...
You can either have a tiny bit more (as far as what you can afford/do yourself), or you can help a ton of people have a ton more because they are barely struggling to survive.

But they should do that on their own terms. Not be forced to... Thats how you get people who dont want to help out others because they feel like they were robbed. Also, most people work for more money to be able to buy more expensive things. Or to retire early without ever having to work again, but still love a good life. Taking their money away because its more than they need to love sucks. And it makes people wonder why they should work a better paying job if they arent making much more because they keep getting it all taken away...

likehelly posted...
your roads are shit? then you did you just vote against raising road tax that's meant specifically to maintain your roads because you wanted an extra quarter on your paycheck?

I wish they would fix out roads here. They actually do have the money to do it. They just wont. They tear up one road to start working, then set up cones and go tear up another road. And when they are working on the road, its usually one guy maybe doing something. And the others just standing around...

wolfy42 posted...
You don't take taxes for nothing, so if you are going to tax more, it has to be for a set reason, IE better healthcare or Social security, affordable housing etc.

The problem is if its going to something good. Or will be used right. You listed some problems that could be solved with more tax money. But that doesnt mean thats what they will actually be used for. They could just give it all to one other thing that you rather them not give it to. But at that point, you have no control over that...

wolfy42 posted...
Donating yourself isn't really donating most of the time as it's a tax deduction, it's one of the large loopholes that the rich use (often donating to trusts or organizations under their control or that hires friends/family etc (and pays them alot with the donations) etc. Donating if you are taking the basic exemption...that is donating, donating when your itemizing and using the donations to offset what you pay, is just at best controlling where your taxes go (and quite often is avoiding paying taxes at all and diverting the money to relatives and friends).

Thats if the rich do that. But if youre talking about normal people who already volunteer time, they probably actually donate to donate. And at least you know where you money is going. And that its going to a cause you care about. Id rather donate then have money stolen from me for purposes I dont care about...

wolfy42 posted...
Why is education for profit in this country? We could easily make it free and pay for it with taxes (and it would use WAY less taxes then we currently are basically using with student loans that won't get paid back in fact).

Why is healthcare for profit, it could be paid for by taxes again, and again would be WAY cheaper (even then what we pay right now just for ER etc).

More taxes (without really hurting anyone that is paying it, since it would be top end taxes over say $400k a year), enable alot of things that people struggle with right now, to be free, and not so inneficient cost wise.

But the exact reasons mentioned above (for profit) is why most of that won't happen, and why most politicians won't fight for it, because more taxes don't just hurt the wealthy directly, but also indirectly by providing services they currently charge an arm and a leg for (and make billions of dollars each year from), like healthcare, education, prisons etc.

They could use it for that. But just because they take more taxes from us doesnt mean it will be used that way... Just because you want your tax money to go to those things doesnt mean that is actually where you tax money will go... The problem is you think that just because they take more tax money, they have to use it for those other things. But thats not true. They can use it for whatever they want...

wolfy42 posted...
Provide that with taxes and you stop a bunch of very rich people from making tons of money, and they have all the power, so how will that ever actually come to pass if the people who actually have the power don't want it.

But the underlying question is.....should people with so much, contribute to society to ensure people who don't have much have at least a basic happy life, with healthcare then can rely on, free education for their children at least so they can hopefully get jobs they like, housing they can afford etc?

That also sounds wrong. Just because they have less money doesnt mean they have that much less power. They still have more money than the rest of us, meaning they still have more money. And that most likely wont change. Because they are usually in positions where they make more money. If something ever changed to make it so they made the same amount, many things people like will be gone. Because why be a CEO of a company if your not making more than someone else who has a job that consumes less time? Or why do some other job thats actually hard if you can make the same amount doing something thats much easier. So, theyll probably always make more, meaning they will always have more power... And like I said, just because you want your tax money to help everybody have a better life doesnt mean thats what your tax money will go to...

wolfy42 posted...
Donating to organizations doesn't really help, or at least I have not seen it helping. Changing laws, making things like healthcare free etc, that would help. Making more hospitals available so people don't get turned away, that would help. Allowing people to go to college without wracking up so much debt they can never get out from under it, and some just kill themselves because of it eventually, that would help.

Donations, charitable orginizations etc, are great, and can be done on top of everything else, but honestly, we should have a system that ensures everyone has the ability to have a good, safe life at least in this country and eventually throughout the world. We have the technology to ensure that is true easily, so it's only greed at this point that is holding us back.

I think donating to an organization would do more than your tax money going to who knows where... And those things you mentioned have charities. Hospitals (especially for children), college funds (or places that offer them), and many other things. At least that money would go to the things you care about. And to say they can donate on top of that is pretty dumb. I mean, they are already being robbed, and you want them to give up more. Most wont donate now since a huge chunk of their paycheck was taken... And I agree they we should have a system that ensures everyone has the ability to have a good, safe life. But I dont think more taxes are going to do anything to help with that plan...
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LinkPizza
10/27/20 6:45:18 AM
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Xfma100 posted...
Implying that all organizations people donate money to are legitimate... You still face the same issue that you mentioned.
After the money leaves your pockets you don't know where it goes.

I dont think they are all legitimate. But I trust a certain amount of them more than I trust our government. Its even better when I also volunteer there, or know the people in charge. I see a higher chance of the money going to the right places with them more than the government...

Xfma100 posted...
While I agree. Is it really so bad that a rich person can't buy one more expensive car, yacht, jet, house, etc. a year if the money actually goes toward helping the less fortunate?

If it actually goes to helping the less fortunate...
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EvilMegas
10/27/20 7:06:57 AM
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50 was making a joke, people got mad. Nothing new.

His job is legit to make people mad so he can get more followers.


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wolfy42
10/27/20 7:08:40 AM
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If you apply a tax for a specific reason and it needs to be voted in, then that tax DOES need to be used for that reason. Like the 12% tax over 400k, is specifically used for social security as an example.

And it's not being robbed, I have friends who make a ton of money and think that way, but you are literally doing a job (those that even work mind you, some of the richest people don't work at all but make more than 99% of americans), and getting paid (in this case) over 400k a year for it. Your not working 4x as many hours as the average American and certainly not more then 8x as many hours.

I get what your saying about having control on how you spend things, but at least in theory we, the people, should have some control over how taxes are spent, and should be able to control those taxes by voting etc. If we voted in taxes to go towards building new hospitals, and building up our infrastructure, that is where the taxes would go, and we SERIOUSLY need both of those, more in some areas than others, but pretty much universally.

Right now, most of that is based on STATE taxes and spending, many hospitals are actually based on donations etc (Even while making wealthy people exceedingly more wealthy). The main hospital in Gilroy for instance was a charity based hospital that closed down because of lack of funding. In the 2 areas I have lived in the last decade or so, 3 hospitals have closed and no hospitals have opened. In both areas schools have also closed (especially back in CA, where 3 schools had closed and there was a huge line of teachers looking for positions and our classrooms were all over 40 students).

Nobody likes taxes, but again, we are talking about taxing income over 400k, past the point of needing money at all for even a very luxiourious lifestyle. Even as you mentioned, saving for retirement, if your making over 400k, it takes like a year or two at that rate to have enough money to retire on just from interest etc.

What is more, by taxing income over 400k, you could reduce taxes for those making less than $100k, reducing the burden on those who barely have enough. Honestly as screwed up as our system is you really shouldn't tax people making less that 24k a year at all, straight up. Right now that is basically the case for the first 12k a person makes and 24k if filing jointly (and a bit more if you have dependants), but I'd say even a single person needs the full 24k to survive/live now adays per year, and min wage many places doesn't even reach that (8$ and hour * 120 hours= $960 a month, or about 12k a year. No taxes (other than SS) on that, but that is still 10%, and rent most places is still close to $1k a month now).

There is no easy fix, but yeah, taxing people making well over a comfortable amount per year, is a pretty easy solution that doesn't really hurt anyone, and helps a ton of people.

If you make 800k a year, and you get taxed an extra 12% on income over 400k, that is about 50k less you'll have at the end of the year. That seems like alot, but your still rocking over 1/2 a mill each year after taxes....more than enough to do anything you want, and honestly the number of people making between 400k and 1 mill a year are pretty small, most people making over 400k are making much more than a mill a year, and wouldn't even really notice the extra taxes (other than it just being less numbers going into their bank accounts).

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FatalAccident
10/27/20 7:19:05 AM
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EvilMegas posted...
50 was making a joke
Lol you think so?

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LinkPizza
10/27/20 7:31:52 AM
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wolfy42 posted...
I have friends who make a ton of money and think that way, but you are literally doing a job (those that even work mind you, some of the richest people don't work at all but make more than 99% of americans), and getting paid (in this case) over 400k a year for it. Your not working 4x as many hours as the average American and certainly not more then 8x as many hours.

Maybe not. But you could be doing something most people can't do. For example, some people can act or sing. It's a special talent that not everybody can actually do well (despite what Disney tried to tell people). Or doctors, who pay out the wazoo for their degrees and go to school for so many years to get where they are now. Some of them do work more hours than others, but most do a job that not many other can... For those degrees. For CEO's, I can't say how hard their job is, but I do know that they could end up working a shit ton of hours... Just saying that other people shouldn't make as much for whatever reasons is kind of shitty. They possess a skill not many do. Why shouldn't they be compensated for it...

wolfy42 posted...
I get what your saying about having control on how you spend things, but at least in theory we, the people, should have some control over how taxes are spent, and should be able to control those taxes by voting etc. If we voted in taxes to go towards building new hospitals, and building up our infrastructure, that is where the taxes would go, and we SERIOUSLY need both of those, more in some areas than others, but pretty much universally.

Maybe we should. But we don't have that much control. We can vote on different people who say how they want to spend it. But it doesn't mean we'll get everything we want. Maybe they are only putting your money toward one thing you like. And maybe the opponent isn't putting it toward anything you want. All you can do it vote for the one person who puts it toward that one thing. So, we don't have control over that money. Which sucks. And which is why I'd rather donate toward whatever instead of letting the government decide where they think it would be best...

wolfy42 posted...
we are talking about taxing income over 400k, past the point of needing money at all for even a very luxiourious lifestyle. Even as you mentioned, saving for retirement, if your making over 400k, it takes like a year or two at that rate to have enough money to retire on just from interest etc.

The problem is that you are trying to decide what people need to live. You have no idea how they are living, though. One of those people making over 400K could be taking care of a ton of people. Maybe they have a big family (like extended) and are trying to help take care of them. Maybe they know someone with a really bad illness and are trying to help the family take care of them. As for how much they need to live off of a year, that depends on their current lifestyle and the area they live in. It could be an expensive area. And maybe they still want to travel to many expensive places. They should have to give that up because people don't like that they have a lot of money. Just because it's not how you lived you life doesn't mean it's not a way others live their life... And I can understand. If I made that much a year, I could help pay the debts for my whole family (like mom, dad, brother, sister, grandma) and use it to help with a lot of things. Getting a house, and helping my family back home get one. And helping my brother and sister pay for college. Helping my grandma with her health and to make sure she has enough to live off of. Helping my mom with all the things she needs help with. And keeping everything in order for me. And with more money, I could visit home more often, as well... And while 400K is a lot, I would probably need multiple years worth to do all that...

wolfy42 posted...
What is more, by taxing income over 400k, you could reduce taxes for those making less than $100k, reducing the burden on those who barely have enough.

You say that, but I highly doubt that would happen, tbqh...

wolfy42 posted...
There is no easy fix, but yeah, taxing people making well over a comfortable amount per year, is a pretty easy solution that doesn't really hurt anyone, and helps a ton of people.

It could hurt quite a few people depending on what they use it for. And it could end up helping nobody at the same time...
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EvilMegas
10/27/20 8:21:22 AM
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FatalAccident posted...
Lol you think so?
He said he was joking. Trust that 50 don't give a shit about people's opinions, if he meant it he would stick to his guns.

No pun intended.

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kind9
10/27/20 8:28:16 AM
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Why would a famous person not get shit for openly supporting Trump?

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BeerOnTap
10/27/20 8:42:49 AM
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FatalAccident posted...
I dont think anybody is saying that

Its an obvious implication.
I had to remind him that he was a black person is what Chelsea Handler said. The notion is that you are granted your blackness by the woke left, only after you wholeheartedly support all of their leftist ideals.

Why did you make this topic if youre going to thumb your nose at a legitimate answer to your question?
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FatalAccident
10/27/20 8:42:56 AM
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EvilMegas posted...
50 don't give a s*** about people's opinions,
True

also didnt know he was banging Chelsea handler

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What_The_Chris
10/27/20 8:45:31 AM
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because Lenny votes for republicans and Carl votes for democrats, that's the law of the land

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Yamato_san
10/27/20 9:26:59 AM
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BeerOnTap posted...
Its an obvious implication.
I had to remind him that he was a black person is what Chelsea Handler said. The notion is that you are granted your blackness by the woke left, only after you wholeheartedly support all of their leftist ideals.

Why did you make this topic if youre going to thumb your nose at a legitimate answer to your question?
Unfortunately, my original post got modded (apparently I was "trolling"), but yes, this is exactly what I was getting at. The left constantly claims to be for equality, but in practice, they pretty much demand that people of color keep in lockstep with their ideals, shunning them and brandishing them as race traitors if they dare to vote Republican of their own volition.
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DoubleDare
10/27/20 9:48:49 AM
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Chelsea Handler is trashy.

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FatalAccident
10/27/20 10:45:54 AM
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Id still bang her

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Zeus
10/27/20 2:26:56 PM
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wolfy42 posted...
If you make more than 400k a year, do you REALLY need to worry about being taxes 40% or 52% etc?

Yes.

wolfy42 posted...
Money is great, but at some point shouldn't you start thinking about society as a whole and how improving it will probably ALSO improve your own life more than another couple hundred K a year will?

If you want to improve society, you wouldn't give it to government. Overlooking the fact that you'd get no say in how that money would be used vs putting it to the public good yourself, government is a corrupt, bureaucratic machine that, in the best of circumstances, swallows up money while only putting a fraction of it to good use. In reality, much of that money (that which isn't swallowed by the machine) is put to bad use.

wolfy42 posted...
So yeah, if you ask me, any decent human being making more than 400k a year should want something along those lines, you still get tons of money coming in (many of them millions, some of em billions) but you help support the system and make it a better world for everyone.

Any decent human being would balk at supporting governments, let alone our government. However there's nothing stopping somebody who wants to give more to government than they're required to give from giving that extra money. Let those who want to do that do that, but leave the rest of us out of it.

wolfy42 posted...
If you apply a tax for a specific reason and it needs to be voted in, then that tax DOES need to be used for that reason. Like the 12% tax over 400k, is specifically used for social security as an example.

That's untrue. Government is in the habit of raiding one fund to pay for something else.

wolfy42 posted...
And it's not being robbed,

Oh? So it's not men with guns threatening you if you don't hand money over against your will? So if I just decide to not pay taxes, nothing bad will happen to me?

wolfy42 posted...
I have friends who make a ton of money and think that way, but you are literally doing a job (those that even work mind you, some of the richest people don't work at all but make more than 99% of americans), and getting paid (in this case) over 400k a year for it. Your not working 4x as many hours as the average American and certainly not more then 8x as many hours.

Which is a silly argument because clearly not all work is equal so looking only at hours is a ridiculously stupid argument. However, anybody is free to hone the skills and get the education to earn more money.

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Phantom_Nook
10/27/20 2:41:48 PM
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the same reason anyone gets hate for supporting that worthless shitbag.

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agesboy
10/27/20 4:07:35 PM
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50 cent's free to support trump for selfish reasons like no sixth yacht this year, and people are free to hate him for selfish reasons like wanting more healthcare so they die less

but i would say the poor's selfish reasons have a lot more moral weight than the rich's

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Noop_Noop
10/27/20 5:40:16 PM
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so wait, im supposed to want to throw my money into the bloated, inefficient, corrupt, and effectively useless public sector because it will benefit me more than finding actual uses for my money?

this narrow thinking right here is the exact reason why none of you are never going to need to worry about this issue, because you will never be in that tax bracket.

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SunWuKung420
10/27/20 5:45:15 PM
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He's supporting trump just to keep his money. Trump could burn the world down but as long as the unnecessarily rich can keep their money, it's ok.

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agesboy
10/27/20 5:57:38 PM
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Noop_Noop posted...
so wait, im supposed to want to throw my money into the bloated, inefficient, corrupt, and effectively useless public sector because it will benefit me more than finding actual uses for my money?
no, we're supposed to want rich people to do that since they currently... well, aren't, due to tax loopholes that are uniquely situated for the rich to take advantage of

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10/27/20 6:03:55 PM
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agesboy posted...
50 cent's free to support trump for selfish reasons like no sixth yacht this year, and people are free to hate him for selfish reasons like wanting more healthcare so they die less

but i would say the poor's selfish reasons have a lot more moral weight than the rich's

Between somebody being allowed to have their money and somebody else being allowed to take that person's money, I generally side with the person who the money belongs to in the first place. "Oh, I don't have much, so I should be entitled to your money!" is hardly the basis of a good moral argument. And bear in mind that 50-Cent came from reasonably poor beginnings, he grew up poor and was raised by his grandma. Instead of taking from others all his life, he made something of himself.

That and he recanted his support of Trump as soon as he realized how unpopular it made him.

SunWuKung420 posted...
He's supporting trump just to keep his money. Trump could burn the world down but as long as the unnecessarily rich can keep their money, it's ok.

Who are you to say what is or isn't necessary? Just because somebody can live on no income -- beyond what's needed to pay taxes -- doesn't mean that any more than that is unnecessary.

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Noop_Noop
10/27/20 6:04:29 PM
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agesboy posted...
no, we're supposed to want rich people to do that since they currently... well, aren't, due to tax loopholes that are uniquely situated for the rich to take advantage of

i am rich people though

so yes, i am supposed to want to do that very dumb thing that i mentioned?

i mean, couldnt i just throw all of those thousands of tax dollars into a barrel, light that barrel on fire, and then get an extra $20 and give it to a homeless guy, since the net result is going to be about the same?

personally, id rather take that money and use it on something that could actually do some good, unlike the public sector.

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agesboy
10/27/20 6:09:42 PM
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Noop_Noop posted...
personally, id rather take that money and use it on something that could actually do some good, unlike the public sector.
your wealth demographic generally isn't going to though, so your input is invalid

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Noop_Noop
10/27/20 6:26:12 PM
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agesboy posted...
your wealth demographic generally isn't going to though, so your input is invalid

you got some stats to support that oh so bold statement?

not that it really matters. i pay next to nothing in taxes as it stands, and it would be fairly difficult for any change to US tax code to force me to do so. if somehow they did manage to do this in a way that cant be bypassed then it just means everyone with money is gonna move it right the fuck out of the US.

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agesboy
10/27/20 6:41:32 PM
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Noop_Noop posted...
you got some stats to support that oh so bold statement?
remind me how much bezos pays in taxes again

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Noop_Noop
10/27/20 7:35:31 PM
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agesboy posted...
remind me how much bezos pays in taxes again

as little as he can i am sure. same as i do.

if i want my money used to better the world and help the needy the LAST place i am putting it is into the public sector. it is, as i said, bloated, inefficient, corrupt, and effectively useless.

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BeerOnTap
10/27/20 8:35:30 PM
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SunWuKung420 posted...
He's supporting trump just to keep his money. Trump could burn the world down but as long as the unnecessarily rich can keep their money, it's ok.

Which side is it burning things down again?
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likehelly
10/27/20 8:52:37 PM
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BeerOnTap posted...
Which side is it burning things down again?
neither side is, not sure what point you were trying to make here.

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zebatov
10/27/20 9:44:50 PM
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LinkPizza
10/27/20 10:08:54 PM
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Noop_Noop posted...
this narrow thinking right here is the exact reason why none of you are never going to need to worry about this issue, because you will never be in that tax bracket.

That's false. I don't think rich people should be forced to give up more money, but I also know I'll never be in the tax bracket. being in the tax bracket isn't what matters. Being able to see it from the other side and understand both sides of it is what matters...

agesboy posted...
your wealth demographic generally isn't going to though, so your input is invalid

That's dumb. There are people who have gained lots of money and then donated a good chunk to charity. And based on the number of people I've met (especially during my career), not many of them have actually donated to a charity of any kind (time or money)...
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zebatov
10/27/20 10:19:58 PM
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Americans have no idea what paying an absurd amount of taxes for little return is like.

Id love to know a general gross-to-net wage of someone (again, general, dont have to announce your incomes pre/post tax) so I could compare to wages here. I read that NJ has a less-than nine percent tax rate. Im not sure if that includes federal taxes or not. Or what income bracket thats based on. It sounded fairly straight-across-the-board when I read it.

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Noop_Noop
10/27/20 10:38:29 PM
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LinkPizza posted...
That's false. I don't think rich people should be forced to give up more money, but I also know I'll never be in the tax bracket. being in the tax bracket isn't what matters. Being able to see it from the other side and understand both sides of it is what matters...

You're a pretty OK guy bro. aside from you very wrong opinions on legend of zelda I think very highly of you.

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Zeus
10/27/20 10:47:00 PM
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zebatov posted...
Americans have no idea what paying an absurd amount of taxes for little return is like.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Relative-Privation

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Yamato_san
10/28/20 12:48:09 AM
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likehelly posted...
neither side is, not sure what point you were trying to make here.
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Xfma100
10/28/20 1:44:30 AM
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Wait, I'm confused.

Are we against defunding the police, military, government, etc?
Or are we against taxes?
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zebatov
10/28/20 1:47:28 AM
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Zeus posted...
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Relative-Privation

Doesnt apply. We pay up to almost 50% in taxes for next to nothing in return. You pay much less tax for a much better deal. Some states have a higher minimum wage with lower income tax, yet they still complain.

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FatalAccident
10/28/20 2:55:39 AM
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Why do people assume that hes just going to use the money to buy another yacht or a plane

so you realise these multimillionaires actually give back to their communities? I would personally rather give back to my own community than have my tax money disappear into the ether where sure it could be used on healthcare etc, or could end up being used on some other bs by the government. Its my money, lemme do what I want with it

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Noop_Noop
10/28/20 4:14:09 AM
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FatalAccident posted...
Why do people assume that hes just going to use the money to buy another yacht or a plane

so you realise these multimillionaires actually give back to their communities? I would personally rather give back to my own community than have my tax money disappear into the ether where sure it could be used on healthcare etc, or could end up being used on some other bs by the government. Its my money, lemme do what I want with it

We actually agree on something.

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LinkPizza
10/28/20 7:29:34 AM
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FatalAccident posted...
Why do people assume that hes just going to use the money to buy another yacht or a plane

Thats what I said earlier. That you have no idea what they are going to do with that money. I said they could be doing anything with it. They could be helping family and friends. Like somebody in the hospital with an illness...
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