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Topic	Pros and cons of getting a flu shot?
zebatov 10/19/20 8:33:20 PM #50:	Clench281 posted... Do you see any smallpox around here? I'm on a scavenger hunt but I can't seem to find any smallpox. Vaccines have deceased preventable disease deaths by over 1 million lives each year in the US alone. That's at least fifty to one hundred fold more than seat belts, which save on the order of 10 to 20 thousand. Your stance is based on an appeal to emotion and anecdotes, not based on an understanding the actual comprehensive data. How many of those lives have been super important outside of surviving and paying taxes? How many of the would-be deaths turned into criminals? Carbon footprint? adjl posted... You grow all of it? And you produce your own soil and fertilizer to grow them? And, of course, have sequenced and fully understood the genomes of all the seed lines you use, because you can't trust Big Gardening not to slip something in there to hurt you. Again, I need food to survive. I dont need vaccines. I didnt say that last time, but it should have been implied. What you just said is the exact argument Id use for pro-vaxxers. The difference is the need. ClarkDuke posted... that's how all of his posts work, it's all his explosive emotions in control, with zero understanding of the data contradicting his beliefs, ok? This doesnt make sense to people who are smart enough to not trust the government or its entities. adjl posted... For those who aren't aware, Zeb's anti-vax sentiments are rooted in the fact that his family doctor suggested that his childhood vaccines might have been related to him developing Asperger's syndrome, presumably because that diagnosis happened around the time that Wakefield's study was new and some doctors still thought it might have been valid. He's latched on to that explanation (Asperger's+primacy effect=pretty much exactly that), and basically refuses to accept any evidence, data, or line of reasoning that disagrees with it. The presumably part is where youre wrong, obviously, because youre presuming, and youre wrong. Reasoning is I got the shot and then I got this. Reasoning is not I got the shot, got this, but the government says thats impossible so I must be wrong. --- C was right. <cite>zebatov posted [p:946053990] in Pros and c... [t:79042611]...</cite> <quote>Clench281 posted... </cite> <quote>Do you see any smallpox around here? I'm on a scavenger hunt but I can't seem to find any smallpox. Vaccines have deceased preventable disease deaths by over 1 million lives each year in the US alone. That's at least fifty to one hundred fold more than seat belts, which save on the order of 10 to 20 thousand. Your stance is based on an appeal to emotion and anecdotes, not based on an understanding the actual comprehensive data.</quote> How many of those lives have been super important outside of surviving and paying taxes? How many of the would-be deaths turned into criminals? Carbon footprint? adjl posted... </cite> <quote>You grow all of it? And you produce your own soil and fertilizer to grow them? And, of course, have sequenced and fully understood the genomes of all the seed lines you use, because you can't trust Big Gardening not to slip something in there to hurt you.</quote> Again, I need food to survive. I dont need vaccines. I didnt say that last time, but it should have been implied. What you just said is the exact argument Id use for pro-vaxxers. The difference is the need. ClarkDuke posted... </cite> <quote>that's how all of his posts work, it's all his explosive emotions in control, with zero understanding of the data contradicting his beliefs, ok?</quote> This doesnt make sense to people who are smart enough to not trust the government or its entities. adjl posted... </cite> <quote>For those who aren't aware, Zeb's anti-vax sentiments are rooted in the fact that his family doctor suggested that his childhood vaccines might have been related to him developing Asperger's syndrome, presumably because that diagnosis happened around the time that Wakefield's study was new and some doctors still thought it might have been valid. He's latched on to that explanation (Asperger's+primacy effect=pretty much exactly that), and basically refuses to accept any evidence, data, or line of reasoning that disagrees with it.</quote> The presumably part is where youre wrong, obviously, because youre presuming, and youre wrong. Reasoning is I got the shot and then I got this. Reasoning is not I got the shot, got this, but the government says thats impossible so I must be wrong. --- C was right.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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