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Topic	Is music theory racist?
RedJackson 10/19/20 4:57:53 PM #96:	averagejoel posted... but the video is literally about the way theory is taught. it examines the history of why it came to be taught that way (in short, it's white supremacy), examines the effect that this has on what theory gets taught (one example from the video is the over-emphasis on figured bass), and poses alternatives (such as broadening the focus to include theoretical concepts from outside the specific framework created by Schenker) averagejoel posted... but the video is literally about the way theory is taught. it examines the history of why it came to be taught that way (in short, it's white supremacy), examines the effect that this has on what theory gets taught (one example from the video is the over-emphasis on figured bass), and poses alternatives (such as broadening the focus to include theoretical concepts from outside the specific framework created by Schenker) And my point was.. 'so it's not the actual theory then' especially when you're talking about the facilitation of music. There's no problem with the over-emphasis of figured bass, but there IS a problem with the fact that we teach this as a means to push non-musical ideas like racism to the forefront InYourWalls1 posted... Going back to the comment of mine you quoted, I don't think this works as an analogy...but maybe the difference can clarify things (note: I'm not super familiar with theory nor have I been able to watch the Adam Neely vid yet, so correct me if I'm way off with things; I'm just reasoning it out from what I've read here) As I understand it: given that music, unlike math, doesn't suppose necessary relations, theory would describe usage in a given set. So e.g. the people of Java have one valid understanding of musical relations, and then the Germans, say, have another valid theory. When one is held up or taught as "THE music theory" or to go further, maybe the theorists propogate the view that another is wrong and backwards, that's where racism can come into it Yeah, that's pretty spot on -- I just so happen to think Java and the proposed theory is the innocent bystander while it's the people, institutions, and radicalized ideals that make it possible for Java to even be considered racist And for the record, I don't consider Java 'racist' in that situation --- https://imgur.com/e6aBSof - Pus_N_Pecans original! https://imgur.com/bve6U7T - Error1335 original! <cite>RedJackson posted [p:946045763] in Is music t... [t:79047169]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>but the video is literally about the way theory is taught. it examines the history of why it came to be taught that way (in short, it's white supremacy), examines the effect that this has on what theory gets taught (one example from the video is the over-emphasis on figured bass), and poses alternatives (such as broadening the focus to include theoretical concepts from outside the specific framework created by Schenker)</quote> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite>but the video is literally about the way theory is taught. it examines the history of why it came to be taught that way (in short, it's white supremacy), examines the effect that this has on what theory gets taught (one example from the video is the over-emphasis on figured bass), and poses alternatives (such as broadening the focus to include theoretical concepts from outside the specific framework created by Schenker)</quote> And my point was.. 'so it's not the actual theory then' especially when you're talking about the facilitation of music. There's no problem with the over-emphasis of figured bass, but there IS a problem with the fact that we teach this as a means to push non-musical ideas like racism to the forefront InYourWalls1 posted... </cite> <quote>Going back to the comment of mine you quoted, I don't think this works as an analogy...but maybe the difference can clarify things (note: I'm not super familiar with theory nor have I been able to watch the Adam Neely vid yet, so correct me if I'm way off with things; I'm just reasoning it out from what I've read here) As I understand it: given that music, unlike math, doesn't suppose necessary relations, theory would describe usage in a given set. So e.g. the people of Java have one valid understanding of musical relations, and then the Germans, say, have another valid theory. When one is held up or taught as "THE music theory" or to go further, maybe the theorists propogate the view that another is wrong and backwards, that's where racism can come into it</quote> Yeah, that's pretty spot on -- I just so happen to think Java and the proposed theory is the innocent bystander while it's the people, institutions, and radicalized ideals that make it possible for Java to even be considered racist And for the record, I don't consider Java 'racist' in that situation --- https://imgur.com/e6aBSof - Pus_N_Pecans original! https://imgur.com/bve6U7T - Error1335 original!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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