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Topic	I just cant get over how Episode I should not exist
Blightzkrieg 08/08/20 6:19:24 PM #39:	ParanoidObsessive posted... Episode 1 I know the common answer is "Anakin should have been older", and I don't really disagree with that, but I don't actually hate kid Anakin. His characterization is that he's completely selfless and almost naive, and I sort of get why we would want to see that if we assume the intent behind the prequels was a character study on Vader. So I think an alternative that doesn't really get talked about would be to age Padme down, significantly (or compromise, say have them both be like 13). Lucas clearly can't write people falling in love, which is why Episode II opens with them being in love already (and ESB opens with Han and Leia already being in love). This of course doesn't make sense, because they haven't interacted in ten years and when they did he was a fucking child. I also don't really mind how the Jedi were presented (mostly). It's hard to say "This is how the Jedi should be" based on the OT, because there's not a lot there and what is there shifts from film to film (and even scene to scene). Like most of Star Wars, they draw from a lot of inspirations simultaneously which is what makes them so interesting. The prequels seemed to settle on "They are basically the Knights Templar" because Lucas probably liked the rhyming thing with history. My bigger issue was how involved the Jedi seem to be with Galactic politics. Why would they be plotting to take over the Republic when they basically run it already (counter argument: Palpatine)? Why does everybody forget about them in 20 years? Even when going with the Knights Templar angle, they should probably be more spread out (like the actual Knights Templar) rather than living on the White House's front lawn. The prophecy shouldn't exist, Qui-Gon shouldn't exist, the Rule of Two definitely shouldn't exist. The OT contains a lot of small pointless details and characters that add to the universe without complicating it. The PT has a lot of unnecessary baggage that slows everything down. ParanoidObsessive posted... Episode 2 I really like the first 30 minutes of Episode 3 because it's basically this. It almost feels like a course correction after they hated each other for the entirety of Episode 2. So it was clearly an angle they could pursue, they just...didn't. ParanoidObsessive posted... Episode 3 Another approach I think would be if we do start with the Clone Wars, you can even have Anakin turn (or at least begin to turn) by the end of Episode 2 and have Episode 3 take place during the Dark Times. Anakin's turn in Episode 3 felt sudden and this gives you the opportunity to have the whole thing feel more gradual, where maybe he's doing evil things in Episode 3 but feels conflicted or is trying to justify it, while having him slowly escalate and spiral downwards by the end. You can have Obi-Wan in direct opposition to him for the whole film and have his wife leave him somewhere in the mid point. I mostly suggest this as a way to correct the timeline though. There's no fucking way the Jedi should be exterminated 19 years prior to ANH. You can't have Anakin in his early 20s and Obi-Wan at like 30. Their ages in the OT just don't support this. They should both be like 40, at the height of their jedi careers (another minor detail, I don't like how Jedi power levels seem to increase linearly with time, characters like Yoda, the Emperor, and old-bi-wan should be in supporting, supernatural roles but not fit for combat due to the restrictions of their physical bodies). ParanoidObsessive posted... the Clone War itself and the droids I don't have strong feelings for or against the clone wars as they exist now. I am kind of attached to what they've grown into. They should be more at the forefront of what's going on though, and we should connect more with the specific soldiers involved on a surface level. A lot of time in the OT is spent on the Rebels and the Empire as military forces, even though it's often not directly driving the action. The Battle of Hoth is largely superfluous to the story, but it's still one of the most iconic moments of the series. Part of that is the setting and military forces on both sides of the battle feeling so well established and the conditions for victory and defeat being well understood by the audience. It's almost like a mini-movie inside ESB. One thing I must say is that the Clone Wars should absolutely not, under any circumstances, be about Evil Jedi Clones. First of all, I cannot reasonably believe in that case that Luke knows what the Clone Wars are but doesn't know what Jedi are. Secondly, it trivializes the force to such an extent that midi-chlorians look like a flea bite next to the atomic bombings. ParanoidObsessive posted... I don't care if people like 3PO and R2, they shouldn't be in the Prequels. nah fam having Darth Vader build C-3PO is legitimately amazing, it's like fanfiction on fucking steroids I love it. ParanoidObsessive posted... Again, to pull out the LotR comparison, this is part of why the LotR films are so praised while the Hobbit films feel so much weaker. The Hobbit films are worse than the PT. ParanoidObsessive posted... Ideally, you have Maul as a building threat I'd go as far as to say that Maul is just conceptually bad from the ground up. I like Dooku as an antagonist a lot more (though he does carry baggage from being a Dracula reference). He is very much the proto-Vader, and if they actually committed just a bit to his moral ambiguity (have him use a blue/green lightsaber for a few fight scenes) rather than having the toy commercials call him Darth Tyranus, you can have him play an active role in helping drive Anakin to the dark side. I do like that rhyming scene at the beginning of RotS, when Anakin makes the opposite choice to Luke in RotJ, I found it quite clever. Dooku just connects more to the themes of the PT, of jedi and republic incompetence and corruption, and how Palpatine is controlling every aspect of the Clone Wars. --- https://imgtc.com/i/sIhpHts.jpg <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:943154631] in I just can... [t:78888538]...</cite> <quote>ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite> <quote>Episode 1</quote>I know the common answer is "Anakin should have been older", and I don't really disagree with that, but I don't actually hate kid Anakin. His characterization is that he's completely selfless and almost naive, and I sort of get why we would want to see that if we assume the intent behind the prequels was a character study on Vader. So I think an alternative that doesn't really get talked about would be to age Padme down, significantly (or compromise, say have them both be like 13). Lucas clearly can't write people falling in love, which is why Episode II opens with them being in love already (and ESB opens with Han and Leia already being in love). This of course doesn't make sense, because they haven't interacted in ten years and when they did he was a fucking child. I also don't really mind how the Jedi were presented (mostly). It's hard to say "This is how the Jedi should be" based on the OT, because there's not a lot there and what is there shifts from film to film (and even scene to scene). Like most of Star Wars, they draw from a lot of inspirations simultaneously which is what makes them so interesting. The prequels seemed to settle on "They are basically the Knights Templar" because Lucas probably liked the rhyming thing with history. My bigger issue was how involved the Jedi seem to be with Galactic politics. Why would they be plotting to take over the Republic when they basically run it already (counter argument: Palpatine)? Why does everybody forget about them in 20 years? Even when going with the Knights Templar angle, they should probably be more spread out (like the actual Knights Templar) rather than living on the White House's front lawn. The prophecy shouldn't exist, Qui-Gon shouldn't exist, the Rule of Two definitely shouldn't exist. The OT contains a lot of small pointless details and characters that add to the universe without complicating it. The PT has a lot of unnecessary baggage that slows everything down. ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite> <quote>Episode 2</quote>I really like the first 30 minutes of Episode 3 because it's basically this. It almost feels like a course correction after they hated each other for the entirety of Episode 2. So it was clearly an angle they could pursue, they just...didn't. ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite> <quote>Episode 3</quote>Another approach I think would be if we do start with the Clone Wars, you can even have Anakin turn (or at least begin to turn) by the end of Episode 2 and have Episode 3 take place during the Dark Times. Anakin's turn in Episode 3 felt sudden and this gives you the opportunity to have the whole thing feel more gradual, where maybe he's doing evil things in Episode 3 but feels conflicted or is trying to justify it, while having him slowly escalate and spiral downwards by the end. You can have Obi-Wan in direct opposition to him for the whole film and have his wife leave him somewhere in the mid point. I mostly suggest this as a way to correct the timeline though. There's no fucking way the Jedi should be exterminated 19 years prior to ANH. You can't have Anakin in his early 20s and Obi-Wan at like 30. Their ages in the OT just don't support this. They should both be like 40, at the height of their jedi careers (another minor detail, I don't like how Jedi power levels seem to increase linearly with time, characters like Yoda, the Emperor, and old-bi-wan should be in supporting, supernatural roles but not fit for combat due to the restrictions of their physical bodies). ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite> <quote>the Clone War itself and the droids</quote>I don't have strong feelings for or against the clone wars as they exist now. I am kind of attached to what they've grown into. They should be more at the forefront of what's going on though, and we should connect more with the specific soldiers involved on a surface level. A lot of time in the OT is spent on the Rebels and the Empire as military forces, even though it's often not directly driving the action. The Battle of Hoth is largely superfluous to the story, but it's still one of the most iconic moments of the series. Part of that is the setting and military forces on both sides of the battle feeling so well established and the conditions for victory and defeat being well understood by the audience. It's almost like a mini-movie inside ESB. One thing I must say is that the Clone Wars should absolutely not, under any circumstances, be about Evil Jedi Clones. First of all, I cannot reasonably believe in that case that Luke knows what the Clone Wars are but doesn't know what Jedi are. Secondly, it trivializes the force to such an extent that midi-chlorians look like a flea bite next to the atomic bombings. ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite> <quote>I don't care if people like 3PO and R2, they shouldn't be in the Prequels.</quote>nah fam having Darth Vader build C-3PO is legitimately amazing, it's like fanfiction on fucking steroids I love it. ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite> <quote>Again, to pull out the LotR comparison, this is part of why the LotR films are so praised while the Hobbit films feel so much weaker.</quote>The Hobbit films are worse than the PT. ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite> <quote>Ideally, you have Maul as a building threat</quote>I'd go as far as to say that Maul is just conceptually bad from the ground up. I like Dooku as an antagonist a lot more (though he does carry baggage from being a Dracula reference). He is very much the proto-Vader, and if they actually committed just a bit to his moral ambiguity (have him use a blue/green lightsaber for a few fight scenes) rather than having the toy commercials call him Darth Tyranus, you can have him play an active role in helping drive Anakin to the dark side. I do like that rhyming scene at the beginning of RotS, when Anakin makes the opposite choice to Luke in RotJ, I found it quite clever. Dooku just connects more to the themes of the PT, of jedi and republic incompetence and corruption, and how Palpatine is controlling every aspect of the Clone Wars. --- https://imgtc.com/i/sIhpHts.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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