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Topic	So are mosquitos in heaven?
ParanoidObsessive 08/04/20 9:32:17 AM #20:	Sarcasthma posted... But wouldn't mosquitoes absorb a tiny bit of our souls while sucking our blood? No, because souls aren't carried in the blood. Regardless of what tons of vampire fiction may have told you. Entity13 posted... Shh... logic isn't allowed anywhere around dogma. Dogma is almost entirely built out of logic. It may not be logic that YOU agree with, but that doesn't mean that dogmatic principles aren't built out of logical chains from previously accepted premises. Granted, in its most extreme form, you get stuff like the "witches weigh the same as ducks" scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail (which is a pretty good example of how logical deduction works in general), but that's still logic. Even if it's faulty logic. The real trick to dogma is that once logic determines what dogma IS, followers are discouraged from attempting to use their own logic or newer premises to revise the existing dogma. But even then, dogma can change over time (the Catholic Church of today is very different from the Catholic Church of 1920 in a lot of ways - there've been a lot of reformist Popes over the last century or so). But if you really hate the entire concept of dogma, you can always go Discordian and follow catma instead. faramir77 posted... It's absolutely unreal that people actually believe this. Why? It's kind of a fact that humans are qualitatively different than pretty much every other animal on Earth, and if you live in a society that hasn't yet formulated the concept of evolution, it's very easy to see humans as being "special", and thus start looking for reasons why. And if you decide that souls and an afterlife exist to justify human sapience as a unique thing, it's easy to assume that nothing else on Earth has a soul, and thus can't go to Heaven. No matter how much you love your pet and swear that it thinks and feels exactly like humans do. It also helps justify animal exploitation and harvesting in every form - if you assume that humans are distinctly separate from every other animal on Earth, you don't really need to feel overly guilty when you kill and eat every other species. Even if you live in a society where the concept of evolution is generally accepted, humans are generally still seen as being a step beyond other species, And regardless of what rebellious teen atheists may believe, there are plenty of people who believe in modern scientific principles AND are still religious, because they find it easy to reconcile the idea of an afterlife or divine powers and the idea of science. If anything, "Science" would just be the rules by which a Higher Power decided the material universe should run, and it's only our own divine spark/soul/awareness/etc that allows us to really comprehend and use scientific method as a predictive model at all. Which is why you don't see dog surgeons or cat rocket scientists. Hell, most of the people who swear they're too clever to believe in religion and who mock people who do just switch their blind faith into things like ghosts, aliens, and the supernatural in general, where you're still believing in a facet of reality outside of the purely secular world we can see and interact with. Not to mention the sort of people who've basically turned "SCIENCE!" into a new religion of its own, where pretty much anyone with a PhD or a white coat takes on some of the authority that priests used to have, swearing that science can answer every question and solve every problem, placing blind faith in things they don't even remotely understand. Humans in general are followers. If you take away the thing they used to follow they'll just find something else to hitch their entire worldview to. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:942973735] in So are mos... [t:78889072]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sarcasthma posted...</cite> <quote>But wouldn't mosquitoes absorb a tiny bit of our souls while sucking our blood?</quote> No, because souls aren't carried in the blood. Regardless of what tons of vampire fiction may have told you. <cite>Entity13 posted...</cite> <quote>Shh... logic isn't allowed anywhere around dogma.</quote> Dogma is almost entirely built out of logic. It may not be logic that YOU agree with, but that doesn't mean that dogmatic principles aren't built out of logical chains from previously accepted premises. Granted, in its most extreme form, you get stuff like the "witches weigh the same as ducks" scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail (which is a pretty good example of how logical deduction works in general), but that's still logic. Even if it's faulty logic. The real trick to dogma is that once logic determines what dogma IS, followers are discouraged from attempting to use their own logic or newer premises to revise the existing dogma. But even then, dogma can change over time (the Catholic Church of today is very different from the Catholic Church of 1920 in a lot of ways - there've been a lot of reformist Popes over the last century or so). But if you really hate the entire concept of dogma, you can always go Discordian and follow catma instead. <cite>faramir77 posted...</cite> <quote>It's absolutely unreal that people actually believe this. </quote> Why? It's kind of a fact that humans are qualitatively different than pretty much every other animal on Earth, and if you live in a society that hasn't yet formulated the concept of evolution, it's very easy to see humans as being "special", and thus start looking for reasons why. And if you decide that souls and an afterlife exist to justify human sapience as a unique thing, it's easy to assume that nothing else on Earth has a soul, and thus can't go to Heaven. No matter how much you love your pet and swear that it thinks and feels exactly like humans do. It also helps justify animal exploitation and harvesting in every form - if you assume that humans are distinctly separate from every other animal on Earth, you don't really need to feel overly guilty when you kill and eat every other species. Even if you live in a society where the concept of evolution is generally accepted, humans are generally still seen as being a step beyond other species, And regardless of what rebellious teen atheists may believe, there are plenty of people who believe in modern scientific principles AND are still religious, because they find it easy to reconcile the idea of an afterlife or divine powers and the idea of science. If anything, "Science" would just be the rules by which a Higher Power decided the material universe should run, and it's only our own divine spark/soul/awareness/etc that allows us to really comprehend and use scientific method as a predictive model at all. Which is why you don't see dog surgeons or cat rocket scientists. Hell, most of the people who swear they're too clever to believe in religion and who mock people who do just switch their blind faith into things like ghosts, aliens, and the supernatural in general, where you're still believing in a facet of reality outside of the purely secular world we can see and interact with. Not to mention the sort of people who've basically turned "SCIENCE!" into a new religion of its own, where pretty much anyone with a PhD or a white coat takes on some of the authority that priests used to have, swearing that science can answer every question and solve every problem, placing blind faith in things they don't even remotely understand. Humans in general are followers. If you take away the thing they used to follow they'll just find something else to hitch their entire worldview to. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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