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DoomTheGyarados posted...

You know what irritates me? Being against universal health care.

And a dozen other important things.

Yes, and I disagree with LotM on M4A! However, LotM being for a public option does not mean he's out there trying to kill people which was the incoming fire he was taking from multiple people back then.

There's been a complete obliteration of nuance on a slew of issues where LotM's reasoning isn't necessarily unreasonable (Take the potential short-term disruption to the healthcare system) and warrants some honest discussion and jumps straight past it to "you're wrong and advocated for a system that will lead to more deaths ergo you're advocating for people to die."

I think our healthcare system is an absolute dumpster fire and that COVID-19 has further exposed that (tying healthcare to employment sure looks great when unemployment numbers surge towards Great Depression levels, huh) but I think many of LotM's concerns when pressed on why he doesn't support M4A are reasonable ones. Unfortunately since I am not a healthcare expert I lack the qualifications and knowledge to adequately have an informed debate with him to properly address those concerns so I mostly lodge my broader systemic points about the flaws in the current system because I'm not prepped for much more than that kind of surface level discussion.

But those debates were jumping straight past that to ascribing a kind of amoral, if not malicious, character to LotM that just straight up isn't consistent with what he's said. That kind of moustache-twirling shit is more in line with what the actual fucking administration is doing with trying to get the ACA repealed with no plans whatsoever for the millions of people they're going to screw over in doing so. LotM's concerns are, even if you believe (as I do) leading him to a bad conclusion, still clearly trying to reach a policy end that helps the most people and blazing through all that nuance is... super toxic IMO.

It's honestly part of a broader pattern (as in outside this topic) where I think there's a vocal section of Sanders supporters (and this isn't actually meant as some callout, I don't mean all Sanders supporters and I don't mean "the left" because the pragmatic faction has not gone here) are more interested in throwing shit at Biden than they are at at the GOP and its activities. I'm not fully certain how to explain it either, the closest I've come to reading something that seemed to encapsulate it was portraying it as a function of purity v pragmatism where some people view support/voting for a candidate as a matter of personal integrity vs those who see it merely as a tool to achieve the least worst outcome.

idk I've just been so tired of this stuff over the past... god how long has it been? 12 months?

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