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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 288: Ventilators! Mount Up
DoomTheGyarados
04/02/20 8:36:35 AM
#422:


I don't think you know what you are talking about, respectfully. Sure there may have been some people who had zero introspection but in "who do you like polls?" Bernie's favorable have always been very high among democrats and democrat leaning independents. It's not just his policies that poll well, but the man himself polls very well too. His 2016 campaign had a lot of issues (mostly because he didn't expect to do that well and he just wanted to move Hillary to the left and not suck up to big banks) and even in most states that Biden dominates people still like Bernie. Like iirc South Carolina voters had a pretty favorable opinion of Bernie - they just voted for Biden!

Like there's no metric you can cite for any progressive that makes them better positioned than Bernie. I love Warren, disagree with some of her choices but overall I would have been completely happy with a Warren president, and she is for sure the only progressive with national bona fides close to Bernie and she uh... tanked super hard.

I also very much disagree that Bernie ran a horrible campaign. His 2016 campaign was horrible, but his 2020 campaign was very well organized, had lots of volunteers, and included a bunch of outreach to minorities. It worked well for Latino votes and black voters, well, they really like Biden.

I think people cite Twitter and Reddit too much. Those demographics tilt very young. You know what the very young aren't? seasoned voters. They don't often vote a lot (the youth vote increased, it isn't their fault old vote went crazy, the youth of this country were more involved than ever and so I don't think we should chide the generation - they are trying!) and they are inspired by their first candidate. They are going to be passionate and sometimes a bit naive and stupid, but that's to be expected. They are new to this process. They know what they want and they don't want to compromise. Naive, but also OK because maybe it is OK to fight like hell and not settle and be unreasonable. Because if you are that way and you voted, you have that right. If you cast a vote, you can be as unreasonable as you like. Because you earned it. I am not going to voter blame anyone. Voters wanted Biden this time for sure, OK, I conceded that weeks ago. I make no real judgments on that other than "you better be fucking right."

Honestly Biden spent so much resources ONLY on South Carolina and it worked just like he wanted it too. The man won states 3 days later he never even campaigned in, there's really nothing to be done by that.

Now I think news coverage was horrible as usual, and you know what? That matters.

But to say there is another candidate that would have done better just isn't true.

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