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ParanoidObsessive 02/23/20 4:56:12 AM #402:	Revelation34 posted... On that note. How come witchers don't have two silver blades since silver blades would kill humans too? I feel like they did actually explain this, but I forget exactly what the excuse was. It might have been that the silver blade isn't strong/sharp enough to use against anything that isn't supernatural, so you always want to use your steel blade unless you're fighting something that's mostly immune to it. Zeus posted... So basically your argument is because a fictional book chose to ignore lore that the film later actually used, the lore is somehow invalidated? You can't turn around and claim that Dracula is the inspiration for all vampires when the book was inspired by folklore. No, my argument is that books like Dracula, Carmilla, and Varney the Vampire were all generally based on the original folklore to at least some degree, and accurately reflect assumptions common to folklore for the most part. All of them added their own elements (like pointed teeth coming from Varney), but none of them were making every element of vampire lore up out of whole cloth. Especially in cases where you're talking about things that were present in folklore before those stories. They're arguably also the three stories that have mainly shaped most of the modern image of what vampires are/are supposed to be. Zeus posted... He says overlooking that a lot of traditional vampire lore doesn't have them passing as normal people And some lore does. The point is that wouldn't even really be a possibility if you're talking about vampires who immediately burst into flame in sunlight, not that every single vampire myth involves vampires passing for human. But you're also ignoring the other half of that argument, which is that there really isn't much (if any) folklore talking about vampires being insta-killed by sunlight prior to the 20th century. Whereas post-Nosferatu it becomes the almost ur-principle of how a vampire is defined (except when someone defies it by saying they sparkle in sunlight instead). Zeus posted... Except for the lore that explicitly references them doing it for that effect. Offhand, I've never heard a single story along those lines that wasn't a more modern interpretation. Though admittedly, the problem is that it's hard to pin down older versions of folklorish tales because it's mostly oral tradition that changes over time. Zeus posted... Are you talking out of your ass at this point? Because earlier you were claiming, "Well, werewolves were just witches!", and now you're claiming that witches can't be hurt by silver despite one of the earliest examples of a silver bullet being used against the supernatural was to kill a witch. Silver was mostly* a weapon that could be used against unholy/demonic thing* silver was rarely* used as an anti-magic substance* Context is key. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:934761053] in Geek+: Str... [t:78164686]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote>On that note. How come witchers don't have two silver blades since silver blades would kill humans too?</quote> I feel like they did actually explain this, but I forget exactly what the excuse was. It might have been that the silver blade isn't strong/sharp enough to use against anything that isn't supernatural, so you always want to use your steel blade unless you're fighting something that's mostly immune to it. <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>So basically your argument is because a fictional book chose to ignore lore that the film later actually used, the lore is somehow invalidated? You can't turn around and claim that Dracula is the inspiration for all vampires when the book was inspired by folklore.</quote> No, my argument is that books like Dracula, Carmilla, and Varney the Vampire were all generally based on the original folklore to at least some degree, and accurately reflect assumptions common to folklore for the most part. All of them added their own elements (like pointed teeth coming from Varney), but none of them were making every element of vampire lore up out of whole cloth. Especially in cases where you're talking about things that were present in folklore before those stories. They're arguably also the three stories that have mainly shaped most of the modern image of what vampires are/are supposed to be. <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>He says overlooking that a lot of traditional vampire lore doesn't have them passing as normal people</quote> And some lore does. The point is that wouldn't even really be a possibility if you're talking about vampires who immediately burst into flame in sunlight, not that every single vampire myth involves vampires passing for human. But you're also ignoring the other half of that argument, which is that there really isn't much (if any) folklore talking about vampires being insta-killed by sunlight prior to the 20th century. Whereas post-Nosferatu it becomes the almost ur-principle of how a vampire is defined (except when someone defies it by saying they sparkle in sunlight instead). <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Except for the lore that explicitly references them doing it for that effect.</quote> Offhand, I've never heard a single story along those lines that wasn't a more modern interpretation. Though admittedly, the problem is that it's hard to pin down older versions of folklorish tales because it's mostly oral tradition that changes over time. <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Are you talking out of your ass at this point? Because earlier you were claiming, "Well, werewolves were just witches!", and now you're claiming that witches can't be hurt by silver despite one of the earliest examples of a silver bullet being used against the supernatural was to kill a witch.</quote> Silver was mostly a weapon that could be used against unholy/demonic thing silver was rarely used as an anti-magic substance Context is key. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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