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wolfy42 posted...

If that was the case, I could understand (I'd still be upset). If you had to declare Dem or Rep and stick with it, in other words if you vote dem in the primaries, you have to vote dem in the final election, that might make some sense at least (Because you wouldn't be able to sabatoge the other side basically). So I agree with you, it doesn't go far enough (not that I would be happy if it did).

I don't see any logic or reasoning to that argument, especially if your favored candidate lost. Voting in a primary is separate from voting in a general election. And if you're really worried about sabotage, the easiest way to sabotage a primary is to allow anybody to vote in it regardless of party affiliation. The system you were suggesting just a little while ago -- where you wouldn't be penalized for voting for multiple people -- would let you pick candidates from BOTH parties and that would pretty much guarantee abuse.

wolfy42 posted...

I do think you should be able to vote for both if you declare as unselected, you should have a say in who becomes president even if your not a Dem or Rep, and since it's a two party system right now, the only way to have a say is to vote for who the candidate is for each party.

That makes no fucking sense. Because you're not a member of either party, you should be allowed to pick the representatives for both parties? wtf? If you aren't aligned with either party, why should you be allowed to have say in EITHER selection, let alone both? You're suggesting that people have more power for not picking a side.

wolfy42 posted...

I'm a moderate, I like things from both sides, and most importantly, I want both sides to work together not fight each other all the time. Should I have no say in who gets elected, or just a say once the choice has come down to the last 2 options?

There are many people like me out there, and it's not fair to force them to declare as either Dem or Rep, but whatever, ain't my system, don't gotta try and fix it.

And why should you be allowed to choose for both sides when people on one side can only choose for that one side?

Just pick a party.

wolfy42 posted...

It is not accomplishing ANYTHING right now in my state, it may be different elsewhere.

Here though, ANYONE can declare DEm and then vote on the options. Even if there were Rep options, that would STILL make more sense for republicans tbh. There are none, so what is stopping all republicans for delcaring themselves Dem when voting (doesn't affect anything else) and then voting on the least popular candidate so no one gets the 15% they need?

Meanwhile it's made the voting process more complicated, and added new ways for votes not to count, while also allowing private info that was not available before, to be made available to anyone.......and in many cases forcing people who are not members of one party or the other to declare as such, while putting what they declared out there for others to see.

Just cause it's common elsewhere, doesn't mean it makes sense, or is a good change.

Then the issue is that it doesn't go far enough and you need actual closed primaries instead of a half-measure.

wolfy42 posted...

I understand it's the way it is, and I just have to live with it, but it feels wrong to me. I am a US citizen. I have paid taxes my whole life, I should get a voice in who our elected officials are, and who is nominated for president of the US. I should not be shunted aside if I'm not willing to declare as a Dem or Rep until the final vote, only allowed to vote for the two people the parties decided should be my choice.

...you already have a say. If you want an additional say in the selection process, join a party. You talk about being a moderate, but I'm a centrist -- a left-leaning centrist, to be exact, which is damn close to dead center -- and I'm registered as a Democrat. If even I register for a party -- despite not liking either one -- what's your excuse?

And if you don't like the candidates one year to the next, change parties. Pretty simple. However, don't expect to support a candidate in one party then be able to sabotage candidates in the other party because that's not how it is or should be.


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