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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 258: Imminent Song
xp1337
01/15/20 8:48:36 AM
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cuz we're still somehow talking about it, if we're parsing their statements and the reporting around it I think what happened is whether it was explicit or implicit (the latter would certainly explain the incongruity if it boiled down to interpretation, the former it still works how they've responded to it) is that Sanders is pushing back and denying that he said that a woman could not win in a general sense. Warren seems to be confirming a report that was discussed around the specific scenario of 2020. Honestly, this read would make sense to me on how they're both saying what they're saying and both technically telling the truth, if in a somewhat jedi-like way. I still don't take either of them as a person who would lie about this (or that this is some Warren approved gambit, still feels like a staffer going rogue to me) and this scenario would make sense with that. I think the media/CNN is unhelpfully (but probably intentionally not gonna lie) letting the idea that Sanders meant it in a general sense out there for "drama" and "fight!" but that is clearly bullshit. OTOH, I don't think it's honestly in either Warren or Sanders' interest for either of them to make that clarification. Sanders because the optics wouldn't be great and Warren because it legitimately isn't helpful to either of them for that reason really.

tl;dr: pretty sure this is all just a bunch of bs the media is having fun with because fights and drama are better for them than the semi-unity thing they had going.

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Anyway, for my routine "watched the debate later and here are some hot takes"

Sanders won I think but it felt like a really bleh debate. He did win on what was clearly the most important exchange of the night and that would be that 1990 is within the last 30 years, sorry Warren you're still my top choice but you were wrong there. Honestly felt Biden gave a weak performance IMO but I guess I'm pretty alone in that? I mean since I don't think anyone made any waves you can make the standard "nothing big frontrunner won" thinking but I dunno. The Sanders/Warren/Steyer alliance during healthcare (and a few other things) is surreal as always but it was nice that they finally had half the stage this time. Kinda wish the three of them went harder at Buttigieg and Klobuchar when they were attacking their plans and stuff but whatever they talk healthcare every debate so whatever.

moderator time felt weird. i kept thinking i was in some warped time or something because it felt like they called time on the progressives faster than the others. But maybe Biden pulled some Aizen-level illusions on me by being the only guy who religiously obeys the clock so him never getting called influenced my perception on it overall.

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