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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Not when food prices shoot up,

So secretly enact laws that prevent that from happening by enslaving food producers. The needs of the many and whatnot. We are, after all, completely disregarding any sort of moral or practical considerations in favour of enacting laws based on appeasing public opinion.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

It's very different to say Americans think every criminal is a murderer waiting to pounce than to say Americans prepare for the rare incidence a person happens to be a murderer, but I'm not surprised an American wouldn't recognise the nuance of their own words.

One is hyperbolic exaggeration for dramatic effect, and the other is a minor rewording of my exact point. Which means we're right back at you saying what I said and thereby conceding my point. I don't know why you're trying to argue against me with my own point. It's really very silly.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

A bike theft involves property stolen 100% of the time, speeding is not harmful 99.999% of the time, and when harm occurs it is because of additional circumstances.

And in the vast majority of circumstances, having property stolen is a significantly lesser consequence than the injury or death of an innocent person. Smaller likelihood of the risk being realized, higher magnitude, it balances out well enough that speeders belong right there on the chopping block next to petty thieves.

Except, of course, you speed, and you like to think that's justifiable enough that you don't deserve death for it. Always fun when your stupid ideas can be turned around and applied to you, isn't it?

Kyuubi4269 posted...

You take-a the stuff, we take-a tha life. It's very clear and unambiguous, property ownership is king. If it's not yours and you try to take ownership you die, if you do not take things that are not yours, you live.

Does the simplicity overwhelm you?

You did not answer my question, so I am still unsure of how to proceed. I shall await your clarification, but eventually I'll get bored and go with the option that involves the least effort (that is, you're not interested in anything more than childish stonewalling and should therefore be ignored like a petulant toddler).

zebatov posted... I just wish our justice system actually taught people something. Its revolving door isnt justice for the victims. I totally understand the frustration of these people (I just caught a kid stealing from the carport two nights ago) and I believe if the criminals feared physical retaliation they would think twice before they acted. Two weeks on weekends in remand over and over again doesnt send a strong enough message.

Again, enough societies have tried physically punishing thieves throughout history and failed to eliminate the problem that it's safe to say it just doesn't work. There's a lot of room for improvement in how the American justice system handles minor crimes, but the answer there is not to feed people's angry bloodlust, it's to actually try to rehabilitate criminals (especially youth) to reduce recidivism rates. Plenty of other countries manage to have much lower recidivism rates than the US without resorting to medieval approaches to justice.

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