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darkknight109 posted...

Seriously, have people forgotten that the PT turned Darth Vader, arguably the most iconic fictional villain ever, into an angsty teenager that leg-humped his way to the dark side?

That's not shitting on canon, though- hell, there's almost no way Anakin WOULDN'T be angsty. As it's repeatedly stated, becoming moody, short-tempered, and impatient is a natural path to the Dark Side. Anger>Fear>Hatred>Dark Side. Having Anakin be a stone-cold, evil hearted bastard would be unrealistic and stupid.

What was clearly weak was WHY he became angsty- Padme. He should have just been written to be impatient and frustrated that the Jedi were holing him back, possibly out of their own fear. Which the movies DO show, it's just that Padme and his prophecy ending up becoming the lynch-pin reason, which is dumb.

Or that it turned the Force from a mystical energy field into a bacterial infection?

As fucking stupid as that is, it doesn't really change anything, though. It just attempts to apply a science-y way to measure the Force. Dumb, but this doesn't ultimately matter, and is never mentioned after TPM.

Or that the Jedi were portrayed not as a sect of enlightened warrior-mystics, but as a bunch of scowling old guys that sat in a circle and talked about politics all day?

And...why wouldn't that be the case? The Republic is portrayed as a relatively stable enterprise, that's just starting to break apart in civil conflict. It makes perfect sense for them to be more political and communal.

On top of that, I'm not sure what movies you were watching, but a big part of II and III WAS showing the Jedi be badass, enlightened warrior-mystics.To the point where a plot point of emphasis is that the Jedi don't have the numbers or time to be the Republican's personal army. Hence the need for the Clone Army.

And this is without touching the myriad of plotholes that the PT opened up, like how Leia could possibly remember her mother when she was all of three minutes old when Padme suddenly died of the dumbest cause imaginable; or how Obi-Wan somehow completely forgets R2-D2 (and vice versa) and also claims to have never owned a droid despite, y'know, owning a droid in Episode III; or how Obi-Wan claims Anakin was already an amazing pilot when he met him despite the fact that Episode I shows us that Anakin had never even set foot inside a starship when he met Kenobi (and also that he was nine years old).

Only the first one is a plothole, but one that ultimately doesn't really matter or affect anything. It really can't be justified how Lucas fucked that point up with Leia. That said, it's just a bad continuity error, and doesn't ultimate affect the story or change anything, which is what you're confusing the PT for doing, when the ST ACTUALLY is guilty of this- a LOT (more on that below).

Obi-Wan claiming to not own a droid isn't really a plothole, because it's debatable if their Star Droids are just assigned to Jedi and their ships, rather than being "owned" by them. This is clearly different than Anankin, say, owning C-3PO. And no one seems to have ever concretely owned R2-D2, beside from maybe Luke from Empire onward.

And Anakin being an accomplished pilot comes from A) his Pod-Racing B) his exploits on the Battle of Naboo, which Obi would have heard about later.

Say what you will about the ST, at least the characters were consistent with their OT incarnations.

Yeah, no. Largely the biggest gripe with TLJ and the ST as a whole is how badly they fucked up Luke's character. Leia and Han are barely in it enough to matter.

Now, compare this to actually shitting on the OT, like:
-Completely doing a 180 on Luke's character
-breaking the lore of space travel in half: "Holdo maneuver" (shouldn't be possible) or Hyperspeed skipping (literally impossible as established by the OT. Entire scenes revolve around the plotpoint that going to Hyperspeed needs to be done in a speific way)
-Taking absolutely hilarious liberties with The Force, allowing it to randomly now teleport objects, interact with objects physically from far away/via the Force, heal, life drain, apparently the ability to ghost possess people (or something), Force Ghosts can physically and metaphysically interact with the real world, etc. jesus I can;t go on
-Basically rehashing the entire OT in general

And that's just speaking strictly within the confines of "shit on OT." There's SO much else that's bad in addition to this. How much random shit happens in TRoS without any explanation alone is staggering. There's a lot bad about the PT, but the ST look like they were made by someone who has no idea what Star Wars is, or simply doesn't give a fuck,


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