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ParanoidObsessive posted...

I'd strongly disagree, but that's mostly because I've seen Batman Returns.

Then perhaps you need to see it again.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Burton: "Anybody that knows me knows I do not read comic books"

Smith: "Which, to me, explains fucking Batman."

Though I suspect what Smith was really thinking about was the clusterfuck that was Burton's Superman attempt (which actually involved Kevin Smith). But since that never came out and no one else ever got to see it, it didn't make as effective a "gotcha".

Kevin Smith being snarky, that's a refreshing change. At any rate, I have more faith in Burton than Smith to make any movie, excluding maybe a lackluster stoner comedy.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Yes, but "its own way" is "This is such a phenomenal clusterfuck of terrible movie that it comes out the other side and becomes an awesome unintentional comedy". Which isn't the best look unless your master plan is to kill one of your most lucrative franchises completely dead for nearly a decade.

100% worth the sacrifice, unlike Spidey 3 which was just flat-out bad regardless.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

And let's be honest, if Nolan's film hadn't been... well, Nolan's film, it probably would have stayed dead. It would have been less Batman Begins and more Superman Returns.

I hated Begins (and still do), but if we had to wade through Begins to get TDK, I'd say it was worth it. And even TDKR is passable on repeat viewings.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Most fans of the Watchmen comic would disagree with you.

Oh, no, a comic book fan might be displeased by something! That can't happen! >_> Has there been a single movie where comic book fans didn't find fault? Having read both the graphic novel -- which I liked, other than some filler (especially the Black Freighter shit designed to pad out the comic's run) -- and seen the movie, I greatly favor the film. And sure, I can't remember if I read the comic before the movie so maybe part of it is having seen the film first.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Hell, for that matter, I actually liked Watchmen (the movie), and I'd still disagree with you. It was a pretty flawed movie in a lot of ways, and a lot of that goes back to the source material itself. I'd be hard-pressed to rank it over anything in the MCU, other than maybe Thor: The Dark World. Or The Incredible Hulk.

Alright, I'll bite, what did you consider the flaws.

Otherwise, I've seen Thor 1 & 3, IM 1&2, Cap 1, Civil War, Doctor Strange, Avengers 1, and everything falls way, way short. Hell, I'd take Daredevil over Avengers.
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