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ParanoidObsessive 08/28/19 5:56:04 PM #164:	Revelation34 posted... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brightburn ? That's just making a new character to contrast the original. Like Marvel did with the Sentry, or what Surpreme was for a while, etc. Those sorts of characters are one thing, as are one-shot What If/Elseworlds type stories, but when you do it to the actual character in-continuity is when I think you really fall down. That was a large part of what made the New 52: The Nineties Strike Back so terrible creativity (and Geoff Johns more or less said this straight up when they were working on Rebirth). On a similar vibe, I didn't mind when DC introduced Azrael as "grimdark Batman" or Marvel had Captain America replaced by John Walker (originally the Super-Patriot, later the US Agent), because the entire point of both of those storylines was basically to emphasize that darker versions of the character would be worse than the original. The Manchester Black/Elite storyline for Superman was pretty much the same thing - it was basically "THIS IS WHY SUPERMAN NEEDS TO BE THE BIG BLUE BOY SCOUT", rubbing your nose in the idea. But to be fair, Brightburn always kind of looked like crap to me, and reviews don't really seem to differ from that assumption, so I wouldn't really hold it up as an example that "Dark Superman" can be awesome. Though to be fair, I also didn't watch it, so I'm only talking third-hand here. Ironically, "Dark Superman" as a concept usually works best when it merely twists his whiter-than-white nature in slightly different ways. The Justice Lords storyline in the DCAU or the Injustice universe plot, or even stuff like Red Son. But again, those are mostly fun because they contrast with the core concept of who Superman IS, and work because they don't really replace the original. It's sort of the same reason why some of the best scenes in the Justice Lords episodes were the ones where Batman was basically arguing with himself, contrasting the two versions. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:926667704] in Valley of ... [t:77923465]...</cite> <quote>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brightburn ?</quote> That's just making a new character to contrast the original. Like Marvel did with the Sentry, or what Surpreme was for a while, etc. Those sorts of characters are one thing, as are one-shot What If/Elseworlds type stories, but when you do it to the actual character in-continuity is when I think you really fall down. That was a large part of what made the New 52: The Nineties Strike Back so terrible creativity (and Geoff Johns more or less said this straight up when they were working on Rebirth). On a similar vibe, I didn't mind when DC introduced Azrael as "grimdark Batman" or Marvel had Captain America replaced by John Walker (originally the Super-Patriot, later the US Agent), because the entire point of both of those storylines was basically to emphasize that darker versions of the character would be worse than the original. The Manchester Black/Elite storyline for Superman was pretty much the same thing - it was basically "THIS IS WHY SUPERMAN NEEDS TO BE THE BIG BLUE BOY SCOUT", rubbing your nose in the idea. But to be fair, Brightburn always kind of looked like crap to me, and reviews don't really seem to differ from that assumption, so I wouldn't really hold it up as an example that "Dark Superman" can be awesome. Though to be fair, I also didn't watch it, so I'm only talking third-hand here. Ironically, "Dark Superman" as a concept usually works best when it merely twists his whiter-than-white nature in slightly different ways. The Justice Lords storyline in the DCAU or the Injustice universe plot, or even stuff like Red Son. But again, those are mostly fun because they contrast with the core concept of who Superman IS, and work because they don't really replace the original. It's sort of the same reason why some of the best scenes in the Justice Lords episodes were the ones where Batman was basically arguing with himself, contrasting the two versions. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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