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shipwreckers posted...

In other words, based on the actual statistics, the REAL "rights" women are fighting for in all this..., is the right to fuck anyone at any time with zero consequences or responsibilities. Heaven forbid women become economically or socially inconvenienced.

Query - why are you singling out the women?

I mean, men like to fuck things with zero repercussions too, yet these abortion bills are curiously silent on them. If your angle is going to be "the state needs to force people to take responsibility for their actions," that should apply to both parties, no? Shouldn't the father have to pay half of all medical expenses incurred by the mother (including if he doesn't want the child, but she does)? Shouldn't he also have to partially recompense her for any time taken off work? And, of course, he should automatically be billed for child support until the child turns 18.

And if you're not in favour of rape/incest exceptions for women, they shouldn't apply to men either. All of the above should apply regardless of how the women got pregnant ("She put a hole in the condom? Oh well, too bad for you, better get the chequebook ready!"). If the man wants to contest that he's the father, the expenses of the paternity test will be borne entirely by him pending their results. Oh, and failing to meet any of these obligations should result in criminal charges, the same way that an abortion is supposed to result in criminal charges for the mother. That seems eminently fair, no?

BTW, you're conflating two different issues - the rape/incest issue is not one that is used to justify greater pro-choice arguments; it's just that forcing women who were raped or the victims of incest to carry and care for their rapist's baby, typically without any external support beyond what a pregnant woman usually receives, is exceptionally cruel. But the greater pro-choice argument is, and always has been, that a woman should be free to do what she will with her own body, regardless of whether you agree with her choice or not.
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