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MoogleKupo141 posted...

Zero Suit Samus was separated from normal Samus too, that doesn't make them different characters. Nightmare and Siegfried actually exist as different beings within the SC story.

I'm not opposed to ZSS getting in a contest, though I'm not advocating for her either. I think Sheik is more separate from Zelda than ZSS is to Samus and there is more legitimate support for Sheik to be an individual character on GameFAQs than ZSS.

I'll walk through my thought process with ZSS, why not:

1) Nightmare is a form of Siegfried = Sheik is a form of Zelda. <-- ZSS is a form of Samus.

2) Nightmare was once considered to be Siegfried, but they entirely separated in Soul Calibur 3 = Sheik was once considered to be Zelda, but they entirely separated in SSB4. <-- ZSS was once considered to be Samus, but they entirely separated in SSB4.

3) Nightmare's play-style is significantly different from Siegfried's = Sheik's play-style is significantly different from Zelda's. --> ZSS's play-style is significantly different from Samus's.

I'm adding these two other points from the .R.O.B./Ancient Master conversation now:

4) Nightmare's appearance is not immediately similar to Siegfried = Sheik's appearance is not immediately similar to Zelda --> ZSS's appearance is not immediately similar to Samus.

5) Nightmare's name and identity are not immediately similar to Siegfried = Sheik's name and identity are not immediately similar to Zelda --> Ah, Zero Suit Samus is without question connected by name and identity to Samus.

So by those points, thanks to the Smash series, I think ZSS has an argument but it's weaker than Sheik's and I don't see people out-nominating Samus to get ZSS in.

I hear you on your point of entity and permanence for Nightmare which makes that a unique relationship hard to replicate, so I'll go back to my point that SB has proven to be lenient over the years. There are a lot of similarities here though and Sheik is unique too. Since SB is afraid of both clones and other fictional characters not from games, we believe Sheik is different enough from Dr. Mario in a similar way Geralt is different enough from Spiderman.

Allowing Sheik doesn't mean allowing Crossdressing Cloud or Yellow Yoshi. Sheik is plenty unique to consider separately, and if SB is that afraid he can put her in the same division as Zelda to nullify the risk of a takeover (though he didn't do that for Siegfried and Nightmare in 2008 and let them team up in 2011).
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O P E R A T I O N O U S T : Nominate SHEIK!
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