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AllstarSniper32 posted...

The only bad thing about the movie for me was Finn and Rose's subplot on the casino planet. Even with not liking that part, Rose was just fine.

I think the problem there is actually the same problem with Jar-Jar.

Jar-Jar was annoying, but the hate for him was definitely overblown. Because he became the focal point for all of the OTHER dissatisfaction with the movie. People who on some subconscious level understood the movie was shit but couldn't necessarily articulate all of the reasons why tended to lock on to either Jar-Jar or Anakin as the most blatant problems. Even if you took them both out of the movie, it would still have a ton of flaws... but the vast majority of complaints you'll hear about it is how Jar-Jar sucks or how Jake Lloyd is terrible.

So in that sense, the massive backlash against Rose isn't necessarily because her character is bad (though it is), or because her actress doesn't do a very good job (though she doesn't). It's because she's basically become the focal point for ALL hate for the movie, regardless of the actual reason. She's the avatar of everything wrong with the movie, a convenient target for all the visceral hate for a movie that fails on multiple levels. So the vast majority of complaints about Last Jedi get boiled down to "Rose sucks" or "that Leia scene is stupid", when those are only a tiny fraction of the problems with the movie.

Phantom Menace actually has one other thing in common with Last Jedi. Jake Lloyd has admitted that he was so bullied over his role and how much people hated him in it that he stopped acting entirely and he hates Star Wars now. He's pretty strong evidence that all of the hate directed at Rose's actress isn't just misogyny or racism (even if it's often expressed that way). She's just eating the same shit sandwich that Jake Lloyd got fed 20 years ago, because she was cast in a major role in a bad movie that has an incredibly visceral, emotional effect on a ton of people because of what it represents to them.



darkknight109 posted...

the Empire has billions more in resources (source: they built a moon-sized battlestation that was an order of magnitude larger than the entire rebel fleet at its peak; then they built a second, even bigger one when the first one blew up).

This argument kind of falls down when you realize that the First Order (which only has a fraction of the resources the Empire did) somehow manages to build a superweapon far more massive and powerful than the Death Star ever was, while the Resistance (which is part of the New Republic and presumably has access to far more resources than the Rebellion ever did at any point in its existence) apparently can't afford to buy fuel. The math doesn't even remotely add up.

Which is actually another problem with the new movies to some degree - they want to recapture the feeling of the original movies where the Rebellion were the underdogs, yet apparently couldn't come up with a clever way to do so with the assumption that the Empire was overthrown and the New Republic exists, so they half-assed the entire concept and went with a paper-thin scenario that disintegrates the second you actually start to think about it.

It's a VERY sad day when the logic of the prequels actually holds together better than the sequels, but that's the world we live in. The sequels tend to hide this by going for a more visceral, emotional response than the prequels did, and by relying on the power of nostalgia into fooling us into thinking it's better than it actually is, but the moment you actually start to think about it everything falls apart like a house of cards.


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