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Mr Lasastryke posted...

to explain what i mean, let me take an example from the political landscape in my own country since i have some expertise on that. take FVD. i completely agree with their anti-EU ideas but when it comes to economics, they're shit. they're in favor of the exact same "fuck you, i got mine" nonsense various right-wing parties in tons of countries have been in favor of for the past gazillion years.

you're saying that it's important to defeat the new right. but FVD IS the new right! when they've become large enough to replace the current government (and it SHOULD be replaced - the most pro-EU party in my country is currently a part of the government, though they're not the largest party so fortunately they don't have too much influence on the government's policies for now), they've probably already brainwashed too many people into agreeing with their economic policies. at that point it may be too late to fight the right, though the left will always try their best, of course.

as important as patriotism (or "nationalism" or whatever you want to call it) is to me, i find caring about the poor to be equally important. what we need in my country is a party that combines being sufficiently patriotic with caring about the poor, NOT a party that's anti-EU/globalism/whatever while being "let's totally screw over the poor who cares about them" like FVD. (unfortunately i don't think we don't have such a party here at the moment, though [but i may be overlooking one of the super small parties, admittedly]. the most socialist party here is too pro-EU for my tastes.)

also, i somewhat disagree with the notion that if you have a battle between the left and the right, it's necessarily a "battle between two well-meaning sides." i do think some prominent politicians on the right are well-meaning, like ron paul. i completely disagree with some of his ideas, but i do think he genuinely cares about the poor. i'm certain thierry baudet doesn't give a crap about the poor at all, though.

Thanks a lot for this post. Yes, I get what you mean. I am not too familiar with Forum voor Democratie, I've heard that they're more reliable than Wilders, who's likely controlled opposition. And they're gaining numbers fast: https://www.noties.nl/v/get.php?a=peil.nl&s=weekpoll&f=2018-12-02+erd.pdf

Unfortunately, there's rarely a party that fits your views entirely, so we gotta vote for the one that comes the closest... I'm obviously not nearly to the left as you on economy, but I completely agree that your compatriots should not be allowed to live in poverty. And that capitalism needs to be kept in check by the government. Those who are able must be allowed to thrive, but there are lines that must not be allowed to be crossed - fair pay for the workers' efforts must be guaranteed. Obviously, that's one thing libertarians will screech at me for, but I say within a country that does not allow foreigners who will lower the value of labour, that will self-regulate to a great extent.

But the biggest problem is that the economy, as it stands today, is a total fraud orchestrated by central banking, for example, the federal reserve. Debt is utterly ridiculous, we all know the US are never paying back their debt, they are practically using up as much money as they want on whatever they want (the only thing regulating that are the banking/corporate interests involved - do you think Trump is not building the wall because there's really no money for it? Please). I don't think anything more than temporary improvement for mankind can be achieved under the current economic system.
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