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Topic	Does time travel forbid free will?
ParanoidObsessive 11/08/18 6:03:16 AM #24:	GreenKnight127 posted... None of us have free will because we are byproducts of someone else's actions. We never had any say in any of this. We just accept it. Because we have to. It's even worse than how you're simplifying it. Every single one of us is basically a computer program running on biological hardware and coded by our experiences. We think we have free will, but every single one of our choices in life are essentially the final product of a calculation of millions of previously established variables. We don't make the choices we do because of what we want as much as because of who we are before those choices even present themselves. Every aspect of our personality is built on how other people and their actions have shaped us, and they in turn were shaped by others, and so on, and so on. Ever since the first atom pinged off the second atom in our universe, everything has been directly or indirectly influenced by something else. In a strong determinist model, free will is literally impossible, because every single choice we make is the inevitable outcome of what has been programmed into us for our entire lives and imposed upon us by our biology. There was never any chance that we would ever have reacted differently to any stimuli - it's like flipping a two-headed coin a million times and having it come up heads every single time. It's never going to come up tails, because it is impossible for it to do so. In that universe, someone with enough data could theoretically predict every single future event long before they occur, because every future event would simply be the inevitable outcome of an endless string of variables interacting in inevitable ways. But in such a universe, it would also be literally impossible to CHANGE future events anyway, because everything you could ever hope to do is already part of the existing pattern. Whatever choices you make are simply the choices you were always going to make, because they are literally the only choices you CAN make. Basically, a universe that is 100% free-will and random and a universe that is 100% deterministic would look exactly the same from our perspective, and we'd literally never know the difference. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:912034569] in Does time ... [t:77177407]...</cite> <quote><cite>GreenKnight127 posted...</cite> <quote>None of us have free will because we are byproducts of someone else's actions. We never had any say in any of this. We just accept it. Because we have to.</quote> It's even worse than how you're simplifying it. Every single one of us is basically a computer program running on biological hardware and coded by our experiences. We think we have free will, but every single one of our choices in life are essentially the final product of a calculation of millions of previously established variables. We don't make the choices we do because of what we want as much as because of who we are before those choices even present themselves. Every aspect of our personality is built on how other people and their actions have shaped us, and they in turn were shaped by others, and so on, and so on. Ever since the first atom pinged off the second atom in our universe, everything has been directly or indirectly influenced by something else. In a strong determinist model, free will is literally impossible, because every single choice we make is the inevitable outcome of what has been programmed into us for our entire lives and imposed upon us by our biology. There was never any chance that we would ever have reacted differently to any stimuli - it's like flipping a two-headed coin a million times and having it come up heads every single time. It's never going to come up tails, because it is impossible for it to do so. In that universe, someone with enough data could theoretically predict every single future event long before they occur, because every future event would simply be the inevitable outcome of an endless string of variables interacting in inevitable ways. But in such a universe, it would also be literally impossible to CHANGE future events anyway, because everything you could ever hope to do is already part of the existing pattern. Whatever choices you make are simply the choices you were always going to make, because they are literally the only choices you CAN make. Basically, a universe that is 100% free-will and random and a universe that is 100% deterministic would look exactly the same from our perspective, and we'd literally never know the difference. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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