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I am welcome to debate the hitter pitcher part if you like. This now gets much more into the opinion realm:
Triple crown is nice. It's still just 3 categories- there are many more important ones besides just Average, RBIs, and Home Runs. Further, winning it or not is not a binary thing as far as MVP. Coming up 1 RBI shy of winning is statistically nearly exactly the same as winning by 1 RBI. Being top 3 in the league in those categories is certainly excellent and that matters a lot. But you can't just have a Triple Crown winner automatically win- that is shortsighted (Trout should've beat Miggy that one year IMO). You are discounting too many other stats by doing so. Stolen bases, Defense, etc. If someone had the triple crown, and another player was just behind him in each category, but was much better defensively, walked a lot more, had more SBs, etc - those aren't stats to ignore. (Also RBIs are overrated in player evaluation imo, but still worth considering to a degree).

How do you compare to pitching stats? deGrom had one of the best pitching seasons anyone has ever had. deGrom prevented runs from scoring at a historical rate. He gave up 3 runs or less in every single start this year but 1. He made it impossible for opposing teams to generate enough runs to win (of course, his bullpen and offense did allow this). Yelich's run creation vs deGrom's run prevention. That's how you try to compare it, and you CAN do it. Saying you can't is lazy and I would certainly hope any MVP voter doesn't say "Well I don't want compare these 2 things, may as well not do it"

That's what it comes down to in the end, because runs are the building blocks of MLB Value. Both were extremely good at it.

guffguy89 posted...

This is why the MVP debate would've been very interesting had Yellich not exploded like he did. I feel, and as a Brewer fan maybe this doesn't mean anything, but I feel that Yellich's stats alone make him a worthy MVP top 3 finalist, and a more than worthy winner of it if he does get chosen. I'm not saying Yellich should be chosen solely because he carried this team to the playoffs, I truly believe his stats alone can hold their own. I just think it adds an extra dimension to the consideration.

Had Yellich not done what he did, we would have been stuck with a lot of great, but relatively unamazing options among position players...and then DeGrom. You said yourself Wiggum that if someone comes out as the clear frontrunner DeGrom will probably finish second, but if there is a group of even contenders, DeGrom could take it all. The prior has happened, and I believe your analysis will hold true.

Yes, I would not be upset if Yelich won, don't get me wrong (I would be disappointed). But I would be upset if he won on the grounds of his team making the playoffs. He had a great September (so did deGrom btw - but he was just super consistently great every single month), and that may very well have put him over the top (especially since there is a September bias). I am sure Yelich WILL win MVP and that his September clinched it. I just hope its on the grounds of his performance and that if he did this for the Marlins a la Stanton, it wouldn't be any different. Me, I still think deGrom was more valuable for having one of the best seasons a pitcher has EVER had since the dead-ball era. He had 27 straight starts giving up 3 runs or less. nobody has EVER done that in 140 years of baseball, INCLUDING the dead-ball era. You can't say something like that for Yelich. Yes, Yelich better helped his team make the playoffs than deGrom did. I'm still saying that's not what the award is asking.
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