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Topic	~MLB Official Discussion Topic 5: Playoffs!?~
WiggumFan267 10/02/18 6:13:41 PM #131:	guffguy89 posted... Remember we are talking about a pitcher here though. The stats will always be subjectively compared to position players, of which Yellich is first or second in almost every major category. Hit for 2 cycles (rarely done in same season). And came 1 HR and 1 RBI shy of the first triple crown in the NL since the 1930s. How do you compare that to pitching stats? You can't. When talking about leading your team to the playoffs. It gives an undeniable edge. It's the total package on what it means to bring value to your team. That's all I'm saying. Aha but see? Now you are going back to thinking about hitter vs pitcher. I am more ok with that. What I am not ok with is MVP having anything to do with a team's record. Again, like my pitcher example above- I'll do it for a hitter. Player A hits 3 Home runs in a game but his team loses by 1 run. Player B hits 2 home runs and his team wins by 1 run. Player A provided more value - he gave his team more chance to win. "leading your team to the playoffs" is not an individual thing. An individual does not do this. This is a team effort. And further, you are now strictly trying to tie the award to making the postseason or not, which the award is not about. You did not answer my question. WiggumFan267 posted... So under what circumstances could someone from a non-playoff team ever win then in your opinion, what would it have to take? If you are insisting on the team's performance mattering, then do you have this scenario? How could Stanton win last year for the 77-win Marlins? His teammates had no success, his team had no success by your definitions. But he still won. What makes Stanton more valuable to the Marlins than deGrom did to the Mets? It sounds to me like you are saying "No. The MVP winner absolutely has to come from a playoff team". or "If someone leads their team to the playoffs that basically ensures them MVP". The MVP award does not say that. You are saying what you WANT MVP to be, not what the award is actually detailing. The award does not say a single thing about post-season mattering and goes out of its way to say "don't specifically do this" --- ~Wigs~ Dp Guru Wins over Me: 1, Fantasy Baseball Wins over Dp: 3 2015 NATIONAL LEAGUE CHAMPION NEW YORK METS <cite>WiggumFan267 posted [p:909844195] in ~MLB Offic... [t:77032834]...</cite> <quote><cite>guffguy89 posted...</cite> <quote>Remember we are talking about a pitcher here though. The stats will always be subjectively compared to position players, of which Yellich is first or second in almost every major category. Hit for 2 cycles (rarely done in same season). And came 1 HR and 1 RBI shy of the first triple crown in the NL since the 1930s. How do you compare that to pitching stats? You can't. When talking about leading your team to the playoffs. It gives an undeniable edge. It's the total package on what it means to bring value to your team. That's all I'm saying.</quote> Aha but see? Now you are going back to thinking about hitter vs pitcher. I am more ok with that. What I am not ok with is MVP having anything to do with a team's record. Again, like my pitcher example above- I'll do it for a hitter. Player A hits 3 Home runs in a game but his team loses by 1 run. Player B hits 2 home runs and his team wins by 1 run. Player A provided more value - he gave his team more chance to win. "leading your team to the playoffs" is not an individual thing. An individual does not do this. This is a team effort. And further, you are now strictly trying to tie the award to making the postseason or not, which the award is not about. You did not answer my question. <cite>WiggumFan267 posted...</cite> <quote>So under what circumstances could someone from a non-playoff team ever win then in your opinion, what would it have to take? If you are insisting on the team's performance mattering, then do you have this scenario? How could Stanton win last year for the 77-win Marlins? His teammates had no success, his team had no success by your definitions. But he still won. What makes Stanton more valuable to the Marlins than deGrom did to the Mets?</quote> It sounds to me like you are saying "No. The MVP winner absolutely has to come from a playoff team". or "If someone leads their team to the playoffs that basically ensures them MVP". The MVP award does not say that. You are saying what you WANT MVP to be, not what the award is actually detailing. The award does not say a single thing about post-season mattering and goes out of its way to say "don't specifically do this" --- ~Wigs~ Dp Guru Wins over Me: 1, Fantasy Baseball Wins over Dp: 3 2015 NATIONAL LEAGUE CHAMPION NEW YORK METS</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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