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Topic	So any form of masculinity is considered toxic now
SpiralDrift 06/27/18 4:24:02 PM #21:	pinky0926 posted... SpiralDrift posted... That just makes it bad advice then. Also, it's not just men saying it. No doubt a lot of women are awful at this too. To me, the "toxic" part is less about masculinity and more about pinning a sexual assault on the victim for not reacting in a certain way. Then why not stop calling it toxic masculinity? pinky0926 posted... It's a really odd one to me. If I told you someone broke into my house and stole my possessions nobody questions why it happened or what I should have done to prevent it. No suggestions on how if I had a bank vault door instead of a regular door and a doberman in every room I'd still have my stuff. They'd just say that was some lowlife and I hope you have insurance. But when someone relates how someone broke into their pants and violated them in the worst way the questions come rolling in like the spanish inquisition. That's the toxic part of the conversation. No, I'm pretty sure people will offer up their advice on how to not get robbed again in the future. Get better locks, install an alarm system, etc. If there are preventative measures that can be taken then it's fair to offer that advice. Does this apply to Crews' situation? Probably not, but maybe in others. For example, if you know that someone has a record of sexual assault and your friend is going to spend time with them you might advise them to take some pepper spray along just in case, because that would be the smart thing to do. --- Do unto others what your parents did to you. <cite>SpiralDrift posted [p:904074537] in So any for... [t:76755826]...</cite> <quote><cite>pinky0926 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SpiralDrift posted...</cite> <quote>That just makes it bad advice then. Also, it's not just men saying it.</quote> No doubt a lot of women are awful at this too. To me, the "toxic" part is less about masculinity and more about pinning a sexual assault on the victim for not reacting in a certain way. </quote> Then why not stop calling it toxic masculinity? <cite>pinky0926 posted...</cite> <quote>It's a really odd one to me. If I told you someone broke into my house and stole my possessions nobody questions why it happened or what I should have done to prevent it. No suggestions on how if I had a bank vault door instead of a regular door and a doberman in every room I'd still have my stuff. They'd just say that was some lowlife and I hope you have insurance. But when someone relates how someone broke into their pants and violated them in the worst way the questions come rolling in like the spanish inquisition. That's the toxic part of the conversation.</quote> No, I'm pretty sure people will offer up their advice on how to not get robbed again in the future. Get better locks, install an alarm system, etc. If there are preventative measures that can be taken then it's fair to offer that advice. Does this apply to Crews' situation? Probably not, but maybe in others. For example, if you know that someone has a record of sexual assault and your friend is going to spend time with them you might advise them to take some pepper spray along just in case, because that would be the smart thing to do. --- Do unto others what your parents did to you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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