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Topic	28 y/o UGLY Indiana Teacher QUITS because he REFUSES to Acknowledge TRANS KIDS!
SKARDAVNELNATE 06/08/18 3:12:46 PM #30:	LinkPizza posted... But denying them the right that they have to change can also be harmful. You say that they feel like they don't belong. But by not calling them the name they want to be called can also give that this feeling. Or treating them like they want to be treated. It can feel like you're treating them different. Sometimes, it doesn't matter if you are of aren't because that's how they'll feel... I don't want to quote item by item this once. Feel free to apply my comments where relevant. Yes, they have the right to undergo elective cosmetic procedures. I'm not saying you take that away from them. They *don't* have the right to compel another person's speech nor to compel another person's behavior. No one has the authority to tell someone what name to call them or how to treat them if that other person isn't inclined to do so. Being trans doesn't give someone special rights above what anyone else has. One person has the civic right to request what they are called or how they are treated. The civic rights of that person ends at another persons civic right to refuse that request. argonautweakend posted... lets act like with trans people you HAVE to call them by their birth name. This doesn't address the core issue. Whether it's a teacher ordered to address the student by their preferred name, or an advocated ordered to address a trans person by their birth name. It's the same thing. It's claiming the authority to tell one person what they can or can't say to another person. adjl posted... see if transitioning is actually going to be beneficial for them before doing anything irreversible. This is an excellent point. In my understanding a big factor in this is how they participate in society and how other people react to them. But not everyone is going to be accepting of the transition. By forcing others to treat these people a certain way the experience from such a trial period won't be an authentic one and could give them a false impression of what life would be like after doing anything irreversible. adjl posted... Trying out different identities is a perfectly normal, healthy part of adolescence, and part of teaching adolescent students is respecting that. Not all identities are normal or healthy. Killing small animals or watching things burn aren't indicative of identities that are respected by society nor should adolescents be encouraged to try them out. There are some identities that society discourages because they are either harmful to the individual or the rest of society. adjl posted... If a kid wants to change their name, who are you to tell them they can't? Answer: No one. Who are they to tell anyone which name to addressees them with? adjl posted... Oh really? Do elaborate on what is so impossible about transitioning that it means doctors are lying to their patients If a man says he's a T-Rex does that make him a T-Rex? If a man widens his mouth, shortens his arms, and has surgery to implant a prosthetic tail does that make him a T-Rex? If a woman says she's a male, does that make her a male? If a woman takes hormones that are wrong for her body and has elective cosmetic surgery does that make her a male? No, the woman is as much a male as she is a T-Rex. --- No locked doors, no windows barred. No more things to make my brain seem SKARD. Look at Mr. Technical over here >.> -BTB <cite>SKARDAVNELNATE posted [p:902784410] in 28 y/o UGL... [t:76681898]...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>But denying them the right that they have to change can also be harmful. You say that they feel like they don't belong. But by not calling them the name they want to be called can also give that this feeling. Or treating them like they want to be treated. It can feel like you're treating them different. Sometimes, it doesn't matter if you are of aren't because that's how they'll feel...</quote> I don't want to quote item by item this once. Feel free to apply my comments where relevant. Yes, they have the right to undergo elective cosmetic procedures. I'm not saying you take that away from them. They don't have the right to compel another person's speech nor to compel another person's behavior. No one has the authority to tell someone what name to call them or how to treat them if that other person isn't inclined to do so. Being trans doesn't give someone special rights above what anyone else has. One person has the civic right to request what they are called or how they are treated. The civic rights of that person ends at another persons civic right to refuse that request. <cite>argonautweakend posted...</cite> <quote>lets act like with trans people you HAVE to call them by their birth name.</quote> This doesn't address the core issue. Whether it's a teacher ordered to address the student by their preferred name, or an advocated ordered to address a trans person by their birth name. It's the same thing. It's claiming the authority to tell one person what they can or can't say to another person. <cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>see if transitioning is actually going to be beneficial for them before doing anything irreversible.</quote> This is an excellent point. In my understanding a big factor in this is how they participate in society and how other people react to them. But not everyone is going to be accepting of the transition. By forcing others to treat these people a certain way the experience from such a trial period won't be an authentic one and could give them a false impression of what life would be like after doing anything irreversible. <cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>Trying out different identities is a perfectly normal, healthy part of adolescence, and part of teaching adolescent students is respecting that.</quote> Not all identities are normal or healthy. Killing small animals or watching things burn aren't indicative of identities that are respected by society nor should adolescents be encouraged to try them out. There are some identities that society discourages because they are either harmful to the individual or the rest of society. <cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>If a kid wants to change their name, who are you to tell them they can't?</quote> Answer: No one. Who are they to tell anyone which name to addressees them with? <cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>Oh really? Do elaborate on what is so impossible about transitioning that it means doctors are lying to their patients</quote> If a man says he's a T-Rex does that make him a T-Rex? If a man widens his mouth, shortens his arms, and has surgery to implant a prosthetic tail does that make him a T-Rex? If a woman says she's a male, does that make her a male? If a woman takes hormones that are wrong for her body and has elective cosmetic surgery does that make her a male? No, the woman is as much a male as she is a T-Rex. --- No locked doors, no windows barred. No more things to make my brain seem SKARD. Look at Mr. Technical over here >.> -BTB</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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