LogFAQs > #901890449

Self improvement is not exclusive to those communities and when you peel back the veneer, what's left is this insidiously toxic culture. I don't blame them, because it's a reaction to their experiences, but when the mind is confronted with admitting its own shortcomings it tends to warp the narrative a bit.

The seduction and pick up artist communities are too algorithmic when it comes to human behavior. It's so very obvious as a result of their past failures/rejections. It becomes an intellectualization, of putting together the right chain of actions and statements for the goal of either sex or a relationship, like a recipe. It's so far removed from what it means to have a genuine connection with another person that the few kernels of truth don't make the overarching message any more palatable.

TheRedPill is more a community of projection. Their unsuccess has nothing to do with them, it's the inherently bad nature of half the population. This is the more maladaptive of the two communities. I think with seduction, there is at least this implicit acceptance of "I need to change things for more romantic success." But TheRedPill will rationalize it away by blaming the external world. It's women. It's society. It's other men. They don't see the common denominator.

So yeah, self improvement is a good thing, but don't let empty platitudes lure you into communities that really aren't that healthy. You can find that without the baggage.
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