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Nightengale posted...

What is this thing with conservatives insisting theyre not conservatives? Is it because its really not vogue at all to be conservative right now?

You labeling people conservative doesn't make them conservative.

BlackScythe0 posted...

The far right tends to be anti-education, Trump himself is anti-education it's why he appointed a education secretary who has the goal to direct education funds away from public schools and into christian charter schools. They are also very anti-establishment, the whole goal of Trump was to "shake things up".

Given how terrible our public schools are, charter schools of *any* kind might be a step in the right direction. I'm in one of the "good education" states and our high school was graduating people who didn't know basic facts about WWII (I sometimes joke that one student thought Mussolini was a pasta dish, but really she might have thought he was a city).

As for Trump being "far-right," most of that just seems to be for show. He's a New Yorker and, outside of a few areas, seems to have a lot of NY leftist values. During the primaries, he was one of the only Republicans to suggest that the ACA might not be a bad thing (which put him apart from Ted Cruz and the "moderate" Marco Rubio)

BlackScythe0 posted...

And this is the key point being educated and qualified is not a plus. It's actually a detriment. They see it as elitist as part of the "deep state". They legitimately think Trump and his scum are better due to their lack of qualifications because they don't like the federal government in the first place. They like seeing the EPA, HUD, State Department and so forth being destroyed and they LOVE liberals being mad.

The problem there is that you fundamentally misunderstand groups like the Tea Party who are more protesting the status quo than anything else. They're more reactionary conservatives than far-right conservatives and, I should mention, they've backed college professors.

As for the groups who like seeing those government departments hurt, that's more of a libertarian thing (as they want to want to see many of those departments gone) and they also aren't far right.

BlackScythe0 posted...

You need to understand that trying to understand why they do things is impossible from your point of view. These last two years of debating with Trump supporters has taught me that it is impossible. We live in different realities. We live in the fact based world, they live in a post fact world. The differences between us aren't merely disagreements but how we perceive the world around us.

....he says without the slightest trace of irony or self-awareness. Your inability to check your preconceptions and biases (or rather, media-fed preconceptions and biases) is why you don't understand the camp and why Trump very well may get re-elected. Trump primarily appealed to disenfranchised voters, similar to the Tea Party (and to a lesser extent the Occupy Wall Street) base where a large segment of voters (rather rightly) saw that the system we have quite simply hasn't been working and the people we've been sending just represent more of the same. It's pretty much the same reason why Bernie Sanders so popular -- traditional partisan politics has led us to a failed solution so outsiders look more attractive.

BlackScythe0 posted...

They are "woke independents".

Typically the conservatives who claim to be independent trend towards the alt right and don't like republican establishment for being too liberal.

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