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TopicI figured it out guys. Rian Johnson wanted you to hate the Last Jedi (spoilers)
Jorep
12/31/17 12:48:39 PM
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@Doom_Art no worries man. Re the fourth wall the most egregious instance is when Kylo and Rey are fighting over the lightsaber and Kylo's basically shouting directly at the audience, but then there's the bit with Leia at the end too where she's telling Luke "You showed up at the end. That's all that matters."
A theme of letting the past die would be all right with me if it wasn't so in your face as a metaphor to a divided fanbase.

@Ammonitida no trolling, man, I just found it to be a dull scene. Maybe the level of what we appreciate in terms of action scenes has been degraded as an audience over the years, but there was no technically flair to it. Each Praetorian guard had a sort of different weapon but very little focus on what they could accomplish, or how/why they were dangerous.
Daisy Ridley should have been trained better for the lightsaber fight because she just sort of fumbled around, and while I'll admit that watching Kylo Ren swing his like a claymore was pretty sick, it's not enough to save the fight.
There's very little in terms of dramatic stakes to the battle either, because they've just killed Snoke and while you're well aware Rey/Kylo will win, the Praetorian Guard doesn't feel particularly threatening.

Like sure it's neat when Kylo busts a hole in that dude's face, but it can't save a middling battle.
I did some quick looking but it's a little early to find and link the battle itself for comparison, but comparing it to other lightsaber battles of the series it's incredibly lacking. It may be a little disingenuous to compare it directly to Cloud City's exchange between Luke and Vader because of the sheer gravitas of that scene in the cinematic world, but we are in the same series so I think it's appropriate.

What I think the movie really needed was a true lightsaber duel or, at the very least, an equivalently high-stakes battle.

shockthemonkey posted...
I can understand not liking the movie but some of you are legitimately crazy if you think this was anything more than just a Star Wars movie you dont like.


I mean with the way everyone has a hidden agenda anymore, whether it's positive in nature (forced diversity) or negative (propaganda) I don't put anything out of the realm of possibility.
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