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darkknight109 posted...

OK, so, it's only a crime if you leave evidence behind? If I grope a woman's breasts, that's not a crime unless someone happened to catch it on camera?

I mean, maybe ten people were around who all saw me do it and are willing to testify to that, but if there's no evidence it's still not credible in your eyes?

If 10 people were around then it wouldn't be a he said she said case. There would be 10 people around to testify to the act committed. Physical evidence in itself is not necessary, but evidence that a crime was committed is. An alleged victim's testimony usually is not enough without something to corroborate the commission of a crime.

Corpus delecti is a legal term referring to the need to prove that a crime occurred before someone can be charged with the commission of the crime. It does NOT prove that someone committed a crime, simply that the crime occurred at all.

I've skimmed through the individual cases and there's little to make me believe they can prove the crimes even occurred. Personally, I believe they did, but that's not proof.

darkknight109 posted...

This is the thing that always bugs me about the "no physical evidence = no crime" group - there's a lot more to crime and criminal law than that etc.

There really isn't a lot more to crime and criminal law than that. If you can't prove that a crime happened, in the eyes of the law, it didn't. No, not everything needs to be coated in semen or beat the fuck up to prove a crime happened, but certainly more than ONE person (in the individual cases) needs to say they were there and saw it happen, whether it was true or not.

To your other point, the man is a public figure. A lot of people have met him. Someone that has a chip on their shoulder MAY be able to provide a time in which they met and use that as a point in time for which they were wronged. Again, that's why I would want something more than "he did it". Maybe, in the case of the woman on the flight, there was stewardess that saw something or another passenger. Give us something for gods sake. That would at least give us cause to investigate the situation.

darkknight109 posted...

I'm not saying that every accusation warrants an immediate execution, no questions asked - but a serious allegation demands a serious response, and if the accuser is able to provide corroborating details their allegations should be considered credible.

And what should that response be? What do you want Trump or his administration to do? Do we need to send a team of FBI agents to respond to all of these allegations? The burden here should be upon the lawyers of the women they represent. Let them find evidence and submit it to a court. To my knowledge, none of them have. All of them have just gotten up on the podium and told the world. Yet none of them have tried to take it to court (with the exception of a defamation lawsuit IIRC).

darkknight109 posted...

Keep in mind that various studies have shown that somewhere between 92% and 98% of sex assault allegations are legit, so the odds that you have one woman - let alone a dozen of them - all making false allegations are pretty slim.

Nearly 1 in 10-20 is way too fucking high of a number, and I suspect that number goes up considerably when you have money/are famous.

Call me crazy, but I'm one of those weirdos that would rather let a bunch of guilty men go free than one innocent man go to prison. Likewise when it comes to rape/assault accusations. It's an atrocious crime, but the alternative is far worse.
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