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Topic	Trump declares Jerusalem as Israel's capital.
Zeus 12/06/17 5:34:16 PM #27:	darkknight109 posted... Zeus posted... Because we're doing so well under a half-solution? There are more options other than "Make the situation worse" and "Do nothing." On the contrary, this IMPROVES the long-term situation. You're essentially arguing that it's better to let a ship continue sinking than gradually stabilize it to get it afloat. darkknight109 posted... Zeus posted... Hamas is emboldened by the international community's condemnation of Israel. Forcing the international community to more fully recognize and support Israel helps to push groups like that down. In what ways does this move force the international community to do anything? If anything, this looks to be having the opposite effect, as countries from Germany to Russia to Sweden are sounding off against the move. Turkey is threatening to cut diplomatic ties with Israel, and a lot of Sunni-Arab states who have warmed to Israel in the last few years over a shared need to work against Iran are now weighing their responses, and I can 100% guarantee that none of those responses will be pushing warmer ties with Israel. More to the point, any Palestinian who was willing to put their faith in Trump to be an unbiased negotiator is now going to re-evaluate their position. And if the US isn't willing to bargain in good faith, there's little incentive for the Palestinians to come to the table. This does nothing to advance the peace process; if anything, it makes it substantially harder to achieve, since Jerusalem has long been one of the most fractious issues even without outside agitation. It's pretty much the only real path forward unless you're planning on getting rid of Israel which, as we all know, is Europe's Final Solution. Further legitimizing the state gets us closer to Israel being fully accepted and the rest of the world behind it. And, if you want to stabilize the middle east, instead of kowtowing to terrorists like you seemingly suggest, it makes sense to build which can help to bring prosperity and stability to the region. darkknight109 posted... Zeus posted... Supporting strong states makes it harder for terror to flourish. Hasn't seemed to stop Saudi Arabia. Or Iran. Or Pakistan. Or... ...you mean state sponsors of terrorism? You might as well add the USA to that list. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:891713369] in Trump decl... [t:76068650]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Because we're doing so well under a half-solution?</quote> There are more options other than "Make the situation worse" and "Do nothing."</quote> On the contrary, this IMPROVES the long-term situation. You're essentially arguing that it's better to let a ship continue sinking than gradually stabilize it to get it afloat. <cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Hamas is emboldened by the international community's condemnation of Israel. Forcing the international community to more fully recognize and support Israel helps to push groups like that down.</quote> In what ways does this move force the international community to do anything? If anything, this looks to be having the opposite effect, as countries from Germany to Russia to Sweden are sounding off against the move. Turkey is threatening to cut diplomatic ties with Israel, and a lot of Sunni-Arab states who have warmed to Israel in the last few years over a shared need to work against Iran are now weighing their responses, and I can 100% guarantee that none of those responses will be pushing warmer ties with Israel. More to the point, any Palestinian who was willing to put their faith in Trump to be an unbiased negotiator is now going to re-evaluate their position. And if the US isn't willing to bargain in good faith, there's little incentive for the Palestinians to come to the table. This does nothing to advance the peace process; if anything, it makes it substantially harder to achieve, since Jerusalem has long been one of the most fractious issues even without outside agitation.</quote> It's pretty much the only real path forward unless you're planning on getting rid of Israel which, as we all know, is Europe's Final Solution. Further legitimizing the state gets us closer to Israel being fully accepted and the rest of the world behind it. And, if you want to stabilize the middle east, instead of kowtowing to terrorists like you seemingly suggest, it makes sense to build which can help to bring prosperity and stability to the region. <cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Supporting strong states makes it harder for terror to flourish.</quote> Hasn't seemed to stop Saudi Arabia. Or Iran. Or Pakistan. Or...</quote> ...you mean state sponsors of terrorism? You might as well add the USA to that list. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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