LogFAQs > #885222916

LurkerFAQs, Active DB, Database 1 ( 03.09.2017-09.16.2017 ), DB2, DB3, DB4, DB5, DB6, DB7, DB8, DB9, DB10, DB11, DB12, Clear

Topic List	Page List: 1
Topic	Why does America still exist?
ParanoidObsessive 08/22/17 3:59:47 AM #23:	mooreandrew58 posted... I didn't really care for the guy but I think he could have beat trump. He likely wouldn't have, in exactly the same way that Ron Paul never would have won had he got the nomination when he ran on the Republican side in the past. Candidates like that tend to energize younger, Internet-savvy voters, but ultimately alienate a much larger portion of the mainstream voter-base. And as much as we can say Hillary lost the votes of disillusioned Sanders supporters, Sanders likely would have lost a fair number of disillusioned Hillary supporters as well. Because, keep in mind, more people DID vote for her in the primaries than voted for him (and she had her own fervid supporters who absolutely would have seen his success as a betrayal). He didn't have the divine mandate of the masses that she somehow usurped, no matter how much some people would like to paint it that way - and while he didn't have the same taint of past negative history on him that Hillary did, he still had enough issues that would have been easy for his opponents to exploit. The real problem this time around wasn't that the Democrats ran Hillary, it's that pretty much ALL of their options were terrible. There really weren't any stand out candidates in the pack who had a chance in hell of winning the main election, which is why the primaries became such a mess and Hillary more or less claimed the mandate by force of will. Much like how the Republicans basically threw the last two elections away by fielding almost no one worthwhile, and the Democrats basically shot themselves in the foot in a can't-lose election before that - the disconnect between understanding what voters actually WANT (or claim to want, or believe that they want) and what is politically best "for the party" has resulted in a lot of head-thumpingly terrible decisions in terms of who runs and who gets marginalized. Basically, politics in the US is and has been straight-up fucked for a while now, and who is sitting in the big comfy chair doesn't really matter when they're all idiots, assholes, or fools. No matter who wins, we all still lose. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:885222916] in Why does A... [t:75681078]...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>I didn't really care for the guy but I think he could have beat trump.</quote> He likely wouldn't have, in exactly the same way that Ron Paul never would have won had he got the nomination when he ran on the Republican side in the past. Candidates like that tend to energize younger, Internet-savvy voters, but ultimately alienate a much larger portion of the mainstream voter-base. And as much as we can say Hillary lost the votes of disillusioned Sanders supporters, Sanders likely would have lost a fair number of disillusioned Hillary supporters as well. Because, keep in mind, more people DID vote for her in the primaries than voted for him (and she had her own fervid supporters who absolutely would have seen his success as a betrayal). He didn't have the divine mandate of the masses that she somehow usurped, no matter how much some people would like to paint it that way - and while he didn't have the same taint of past negative history on him that Hillary did, he still had enough issues that would have been easy for his opponents to exploit. The real problem this time around wasn't that the Democrats ran Hillary, it's that pretty much ALL of their options were terrible. There really weren't any stand out candidates in the pack who had a chance in hell of winning the main election, which is why the primaries became such a mess and Hillary more or less claimed the mandate by force of will. Much like how the Republicans basically threw the last two elections away by fielding almost no one worthwhile, and the Democrats basically shot themselves in the foot in a can't-lose election before that - the disconnect between understanding what voters actually WANT (or claim to want, or believe that they want) and what is politically best "for the party" has resulted in a lot of head-thumpingly terrible decisions in terms of who runs and who gets marginalized. Basically, politics in the US is and has been straight-up fucked for a while now, and who is sitting in the big comfy chair doesn't really matter when they're all idiots, assholes, or fools. No matter who wins, we all still lose. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Topic List	Page List: 1