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Kungfu Kenobi posted...

I had to take liberties with a mangled analogy in order to make it work. Words are tools, scissors are tools, and tools are best understood in with the verb "use" not "give". You use words, you don't give them. Ya' follow?

The analogy is not the simple scissors:pronouns. It's the acts themselves within the given contexts that are analogous.

To wit, in the analogy adjl used, giving someone scissors (with the implied intent that they are to use them) or making them use desks that do not work well with their dominant hand is analogous to referring to someone by pronouns that do not align with their gender identity.

In your ridiculously bad counterargument, you stated that cisgender people are being forced to use scissors that do not work well with their dominant hand, ergo, within the bounds of the original analogy, you are implying that cisgender people are being forced to identify by pronouns (i.e. are being referred to by pronouns) that do not align with their gender identity, i.e. that there exists a growing number of cases where cisgender men are being referred to as "she" or where cisgender women are being referred to as "he".

Essentially, what you failed to notice was that the analogous terms were entire phrases and contexts, and not simply the nouns in those phrases. Then, in failing to comprehend what the actual analogy was, you made yourself look the fool.

Kungfu Kenobi posted...

So try to keep up here: people are being insisted open to use left handed tools, and many right handed people (and a surprising and growing number of lefties like myself) aren't sure those tools are the best ones for the job.

See, this is a better counter analogy than your first attempt. The terms of your analogy are clear. Although, in attempting to tie your counter analogy to the original analogy using some of the same nouns, you run afoul of confusing the reader.

In your analogy, "left-handed tools" is analogous to "non-standard pronouns". In adjl's analogy, and it bears repeating just to make sure you get it, "making someone use right-handed tools (e.g. scissors, desks) when they are left-handed" is analogous to "referring to someone by male pronouns when they identify as female, female pronouns when they identify as male, or standard pronouns when they identify as a non-standard gender".

Adjl's argument implicitly states, by analogy, that a non-cisgender individual can deal with being referred to by the wrong pronouns, much as a left-handed person can deal with using right-handed scissors or right-handed desks, but in both cases, it's a huge dick move to force them to deal with it when you're fully aware that you're specifically inconveniencing them.

Your argument implicitly states, by analogy and comparison to adjl's analogy, that people can use non-standard pronouns, much as people can use left-handed tools, but because you don't personally agree with the tools/pronouns being used, that justifies pulling a dick move.
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