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Topic	American man had to call the POLICE on his TINDER DATE because she won't LEAVE!
Zeus 06/04/17 4:36:27 AM #47:	Revelation34 posted... Zeus posted... Revelation34 posted... Zeus posted... Revelation34 posted... That link is wrong. Store employees cannot detain shoplifters. Only loss and prevention and security can. Actually, they can. Most stores have policies against it, but legally an employee can stop a shoplifter. There's no special law that designates loss prevention (which, by the way, is a separate function with no real presence at most retailers; a rep from the department might show up a few times a year) or security (which most retailers don't have anyway) as being the only people who can detain suspected thieves. Detain, not stop. Those are two completely different words with two completely different meanings. Except not in this context. Detaining and stopping have the same function and effect in this example. Further, if you're going to make a claim that it's unlawful for them to do so despite a legal blog already okaying it, I would expect you to at least present a source. Detaining means holding a person such as taking them to a back room until cops get there. No, it actually doesn't. You can detain somebody simply by standing in their way and refuse to let them pass. The act of detention is literally a matter of preventing somebody from leaving. You don't need to physically touch the person to detain them, you need to transfer them to another room, you just need to stop them from leaving. More importantly, when an employee asks somebody to come with them to the back room, that's entirely a voluntary action. If they lay hands on them and drag them there, that could constitute assault depending on the circumstances. However, if somebody refuses to walk in back, a manager can STILL just stand in their way and stop them from moving without touching them. And private citizens can legally detain individuals who they witness committing a crime. For added reference, when a cop stops you in a street to ask you questions, that's a form of detention. If you can't leave, you are being detained (assuming you haven't been arrested, since an arrest has a very specific definition). --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:880377495] in American m... [t:75412373]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote> That link is wrong. Store employees cannot detain shoplifters. Only loss and prevention and security can.</quote> Actually, they can. Most stores have policies against it, but legally an employee can stop a shoplifter. There's no special law that designates loss prevention (which, by the way, is a separate function with no real presence at most retailers; a rep from the department might show up a few times a year) or security (which most retailers don't have anyway) as being the only people who can detain suspected thieves.</quote> Detain, not stop. Those are two completely different words with two completely different meanings.</quote> Except not in this context. Detaining and stopping have the same function and effect in this example. Further, if you're going to make a claim that it's unlawful for them to do so despite a legal blog already okaying it, I would expect you to at least present a source.</quote> Detaining means holding a person such as taking them to a back room until cops get there.</quote> No, it actually doesn't. You can detain somebody simply by standing in their way and refuse to let them pass. The act of detention is literally a matter of preventing somebody from leaving. You don't need to physically touch the person to detain them, you need to transfer them to another room, you just need to stop them from leaving. More importantly, when an employee asks somebody to come with them to the back room, that's entirely a voluntary action. If they lay hands on them and drag them there, that could constitute assault depending on the circumstances. However, if somebody refuses to walk in back, a manager can STILL just stand in their way and stop them from moving without touching them. And private citizens can legally detain individuals who they witness committing a crime. For added reference, when a cop stops you in a street to ask you questions, that's a form of detention. If you can't leave, you are being detained (assuming you haven't been arrested, since an arrest has a very specific definition). --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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