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Metal_DK posted...

streamofthesky posted...

While the Democratic party establishment / "Clinton wing" of the party is as you describe, the "both parties" stuff is not really true and just serves to distract away from and lessen the fact that one party (Republicans) are far more in the pocket of corporations and pro-war than the other. Yes, Dems are too. But not nearly as much as Republicans.

Hillary and the Democratic establishment purposely had fewer debates with Bernie. They purposely had strange superdelgate systems this whole time. Just because democrats don't hate gays (despite the fact that Obama and Hillary were pretty much the last democrats who showed up to that party) now doesn't make them good. They are definitely in bed with wall street. See: how Howard Dean goes from a presidential candidate in 2004 to a corporate lobbyist by 2008/2010. Its while Hillary supported fracking the fuck out of the USA despite the dems being the "environmentally friendly" party.

We can't afford "not as bad" anymore. Not as bad is what lead us to Trump. In 08 it was "we cant afford a hot head McCain, getting Obama in office is the most important election of our time". In 12 it was "we can't afford business executive Romney, this is the most important election of our time". In 16 a hothead business executive wins....

This whole "lesser of two evils" leads to the same path. Eventually we fucked.

I don't like lesser of two evils, but the lesser of two evils is still in fact the lesser of two evils.
Obama was quite active militarily, but Republicans still complained endlessly about how "weak" he was in exerting military force and McCain in particularly literally sang about bombing Iran while campaigning. Obama was far from a pacifist, but I have NO DOUBT he got us into less shit overseas than a Republican would have.

Not ideal, but *still* better than the alternative.

The lesser of two evils won't end until the two party system ends, which in turn won't end until we get rid of our ruinous First Past The Post voting system (vote for one person, most votes wins). Because FPTP inevitably leads to a two party system. If 60% of the country is right-of-center (to varying degrees) and 40% is left-of-center (to varying degrees) and the right-wingers split their votes roughly half and half on two conservative candidates but the liberals all vote for the same guy...40% of the population just won everything. And thus, the parties quickly consolidate down to only 2 real choices in order to avoid that.
But Dems and Reps love having a death grip on power, even if it means having to see-saw it back and forth to keep it. They will NEVER work to undo their godhood. The only way it will ever end is a constitutional convention ratified by 3/4 of the states themselves, and even that would be hard since the two parties dominate at the state level, too.