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Metal_Gear_Link posted...

back in the 60s there were 0.9 Tvs per household. now the ratio is 2.93

You claimed that the poor didn't have tvs, not that the poor didn't have multiple tvs.



And, more importantly, the technology has once improved which has little to do with where the products are being manufactured.

Metal_Gear_Link posted...

People on developing nations are better of because of those jobs. only people on developed nations who used to work in manufacturing have it worse. everyone else in developed or developing world have it better

...what? The manufacturing section comprised a huge amount of unskilled labor in the US which is now paid far less and has moved much further down the chain. It's not simply a matter of the people who lost their jobs directly, but also for those who don't have to jobs to go into and are forced into worse-paying positions. More importantly, thanks to an excess of unskilled labor, those other jobs are able to pay less. The export of labor -- something that the founding fathers always feared -- has systematically gutted the lower middle class and a large chunk of our economy. (Granted, while a certain amount of loss is due to and would be due to automation as well, the export of jobs means lowered wages which meant lower purchasing power which in turn further compresses those US markets.)

Metal_Gear_Link posted...

That is why we must focus on affordable college and training...why do you think there are so many Skilled immigrant visas?

roflmao... oh my god... you're so fucking ignorant. Why do you think we have so many people with college degrees working unskilled labor? Clearly we don't have an issue with affordability of schools when we ALREADY have one of the world's higher graduation rates (higher, in fact, than many places which give college away for free) yet not the jobs to support them. More importantly, I'll tell you why we have the H-1B Visa program and it's the same reason companies export -- it's cheaper for employers! Equally skilled American candidates are frequently rejected because H-1Bs are:
A) Contracted to ONLY work for that one employer, meaning that they come with a fixed term and can't quit without violating their visa. Likewise, they're less inclined to quit because the country seems foreign to them.
B) They're not subject to all of the same labor laws as US employees
C) You can pay them less.

This is why you see job postings which requirements that candidates have more years of experience in software than years that the software has existed (something that the creator of said software joked about being ineligible for that job). There are deliberately impossible or prohibitive standards set up SPECIFICALLY to recruit foreign labor.

Metal_Gear_Link posted...

besides taking jobs away from the current Indians, vietnamites and mexicans who are doing those jobs to bring them back here is as moralli bad as taking them away from 1980s , 1990's and 00's american workers. which will also make everything much more expensive again.

If we had sensible tariffs in place -- the very thing which helped to finance our government, protect American jobs, AND gave Americans more money since they didn't have to pay federal income taxes -- the cost of goods wouldn't be that different AND it would benefit the US economy so workers would have far more money to buy things. Conversely, the removal of tariffs fucked the US worker and, to make up that for that shortfall which enabled their jobs to be lost, the workers were fucked again with more taxes.
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