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Topic	Ciel nosurge (in English) - A watchthrough topic Spoilers
xp1337 02/10/17 10:17:14 PM #42:	wow all this negativity about ion. petition for topic bans tbqh. Seriously though, it's a little hard for me to judge since I'm working with the full knowledge of Ciel and Ar so Ion is massively boosted by that for me. That said, I will admit that Ion's naivety/optimism can feel a bit repetitive at times. I'd probably say that if I tried to lock off all my future/complete knowledge of Ion and judged solely by the first 4 chapters, she's behind Nay in a character ranking, and Greicoff would have a fair case on her too. With everything put together though, Ion and Nay are basically leagues behind everyone else as the Top 2, and that's not putting down the others, they're just that good. I think I'm taking the opposite stance of dowolf here though in that I think non-memory Ion is hurt by the lack of life sim stuff. We only really experience non-memory Ion from her reactions from the memories. I feel like it'd be to her benefit as a character to have other conversations with her. Robazoid posted... My only problem is that I don't understand how Reon created zombies, why she didn't just turn everyone in the room into zombies if she had that power, and why the zombies didn't do anything after entering the room. You can't just have zombies show up and not use them! This actually bugged me too. My working theory at the time, and I think it's still the best explanation given my knowledge of the setting, is that she could exert influence through their Cielnotrons. Kinda like what she was doing with Ion, but on a lesser scale. If anything though, I feel like if they were actually dead it falls apart because it'd break their chain to the Cielnotron so she couldn't get to them... I think. >_> so maybe zombie was just a misleading term/meant they were acting like zombies but not really undead i don't know ~~~~~~~ Meanwhile, I both got further than planned and yet exactly where I had planned. I wanted to get through all of Chapter 7 but then as I was actually doing that it felt like it was longer than I thought it was from when I did a quick mental tally of the video times yesterday. So then I was thinking of cutting it off somewhere, but kept going "one more video" until I hit a point where THERE AIN'T NO GETTIN' OFFA THIS TRAIN WE'RE ON. Ciel nosurge Part 2 too good. Chapter 7 complete. 127/252 videos. We're past the halfway mark on videos~! Chapter 8 looks to be the longest so far in runtime if my quick tally is right (and as I just explained it wasn't before apparently!) so I think I'll have to break it up. I'd say even into 3 sessions but... but... I think it contains the plot point I most want to see. And even if it doesn't too much hype anyway from what's been going down anyway. Chapter Rankings: 7 >= 6 > 4 > 5 >> 2 >= 3 >= 1 *Post-Chapter 7 videos-but-not-Chapter-8-yet Spoilers* Ion getting so depressed and broken at the end of the chapter that she refuses to talk with the player or even visit the Dream World is also a pretty amazing way to reinforce the framing device of the game as you interacting with a "real" other world and person who is experience and suffering their own issues. Also really hard to watch too. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:872752533] in Ciel nosur... [t:74938137]...</cite> <quote>wow all this negativity about ion. petition for topic bans tbqh. Seriously though, it's a little hard for me to judge since I'm working with the full knowledge of Ciel and Ar so Ion is massively boosted by that for me. That said, I will admit that Ion's naivety/optimism can feel a bit repetitive at times. I'd probably say that if I tried to lock off all my future/complete knowledge of Ion and judged solely by the first 4 chapters, she's behind Nay in a character ranking, and Greicoff would have a fair case on her too. With everything put together though, Ion and Nay are basically leagues behind everyone else as the Top 2, and that's not putting down the others, they're just that good. I think I'm taking the opposite stance of dowolf here though in that I think non-memory Ion is hurt by the lack of life sim stuff. We only really experience non-memory Ion from her reactions from the memories. I feel like it'd be to her benefit as a character to have other conversations with her. <cite>Robazoid posted...</cite> <quote>My only problem is that I don't understand how Reon created zombies, why she didn't just turn everyone in the room into zombies if she had that power, and why the zombies didn't do anything after entering the room. You can't just have zombies show up and not use them!</quote> This actually bugged me too. My working theory at the time, and I think it's still the best explanation given my knowledge of the setting, is that she could exert influence through their Cielnotrons. Kinda like what she was doing with Ion, but on a lesser scale. If anything though, I feel like if they were actually dead it falls apart because it'd break their chain to the Cielnotron so she couldn't get to them... I think. >_> so maybe zombie was just a misleading term/meant they were acting like zombies but not really undead i don't know ~~~~~~~ Meanwhile, I both got further than planned and yet exactly where I had planned. I wanted to get through all of Chapter 7 but then as I was actually doing that it felt like it was longer than I thought it was from when I did a quick mental tally of the video times yesterday. So then I was thinking of cutting it off somewhere, but kept going "one more video" until I hit a point where THERE AIN'T NO GETTIN' OFFA THIS TRAIN WE'RE ON. Ciel nosurge Part 2 too good. Chapter 7 complete. 127/252 videos. We're past the halfway mark on videos~! Chapter 8 looks to be the longest so far in runtime if my quick tally is right (and as I just explained it wasn't before apparently!) so I think I'll have to break it up. I'd say even into 3 sessions but... but... I think it contains the plot point I most want to see. And even if it doesn't too much hype anyway from what's been going down anyway. Chapter Rankings: 7 >= 6 > 4 > 5 >> 2 >= 3 >= 1 *Post-Chapter 7 videos-but-not-Chapter-8-yet Spoilers* Ion getting so depressed and broken at the end of the chapter that she refuses to talk with the player or even visit the Dream World is also a pretty amazing way to reinforce the framing device of the game as you interacting with a "real" other world and person who is experience and suffering their own issues. Also really hard to watch too. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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