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VideoboysaysCube posted... And here's the other side of the argument that everyone ignores...

Covid doesn't kill indiscriminately. Certain demographics are considerably more prone. The vaccine however is designed as a one-size-fits-all solution, which is never ideal when it comes to medical treatments. There are certain demographics that face higher risks with the vaccine than others. The odds are low, but there's still risk assessment.

The odds of having those serious side effects are higher from Covid itself than from the vaccine, though, even among the demographics that are generally at pretty low risk for Covid and are at highest risk of those effects. Across the board, the vaccines are safer than Covid. There is indeed risk assessment, but the actual numbers invariably yield the conclusion that vaccinating is the way to go (except for people with known allergies to vaccine components, who are typically medically exempt because being vaccinated would put them at greater risk).

VideoboysaysCube posted...

Just consider last year these vaccines were supposed to prevent infection. Now they merely mitigate the side effects.

Given that we've gone through four major new strains since the vaccines were developed, one of which has evolved particularly effective vaccine avoidance abilities (though the vaccine still prevents infection with Omicron, just much less reliably than for other variants and not well enough to lean on it as a primary public health strategy), that's not particularly surprising. That's not uncertainty, that's the expected progression of the disease (and would be regardless of vaccination progress, since viruses don't particularly discriminate between natural and vaccine-induced immunity).

VideoboysaysCube posted...

To make a simple point, illnesses derived from obesity is still the leading cause of death in this country. But there are zero measures in place to prevent obesity. Ask yourself why.

Because obesity isn't contagious, mostly. Not that "there are zero measures to prevent obesity" is a remotely factual statement. There are extensive anti-obesity measures being taken, including regulations on serving sizes (which have often been shot down by people that gobbled up industry propaganda like it was a 2-for-1 special on deep fried butter), pretty extensive health promotion campaigns, efforts to improve school lunches (remember when all the kids got mad at Michelle Obama because they wanted more cheeseburgers?), the mere existence of gym class... If you don't think anything's being done to combat the obesity epidemic, you haven't been paying attention.

SunWuKung420 posted...

In my experience, testing positive for covid without any symptoms pre-vaccination, and almost going to the hospital twice because of the vaccine, the vaccine was worse.

Basing any risk analyses on n=1, however, is generally a terrible idea. Unfortunately, humans overwhelmingly tend to bias their understanding of risks according to what they've personally experienced, so it can be really hard to convince people to believe in abstract statistical data over the tiny, non-representative sample they've observed. I try to be sympathetic to that, but it can get awfully difficult.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Stop prolonging my life against my wishes. It's up to me if the alternative is better.

Even if you are bent on dying (which, while I respect the right to die on your own terms, I think is more likely a mental health issue on your part than a competent wish for death, and I sincerely hope you can find the help you need to derive more enjoyment from your life), there are considerably more pleasant ways you could go than Covid. Bad Covid cases are extremely miserable.