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Topic	The point of LOCKDOWNS is to NOT Overwhelm HOSPITALS. Does it make sense to you?
adjl 12/26/21 12:14:45 PM #21:	SKARDAVNELNATE posted... I think the hospitals themselves will dissuade that from happening. When my father lost his fingers to a table saw a few years ago all the local emergency room did was offer to call him an ambulance to the next county over. Hospitals can't be overwhelmed if they don't accept patients. That means they were already overwhelmed. When hospitals refuse patients like that, it's either because they lack the specialties needed to take care of them (unlikely for something as routine as an amputation), or because they don't have the capacity to take on any more patients. That's mostly alright when going to the next county over is an option, but Covid's a much bigger problem than that: https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/a-man-died-after-he-couldn-t-get-a-cardiac-icu-bed-in-43-u-s-hospitals-due-to-pandemic-family-says-1.5583446 In many regions that are experiencing particularly bad outbreaks, not only are local hospitals full to capacity, nearby hospitals are also full to capacity because they're fighting the same outbreak. That's a particularly egregious story, but hospitals around the world are having patients that need ICU beds lying on stretchers in hallways while they wait for Covid patients to die so a bed is freed up. Quite simply, "hospitals can't be overwhelmed if they don't accept patients" is entirely the wrong way to look at it. I don't know if you're thinking about this in terms of doctors/nurses being overworked, or what, but it's talking about there being more patients than the health care system can handle. If hospitals in an area aren't accepting patients to the point that some don't get treated, that means the local health care system is overwhelmed. By definition. SKARDAVNELNATE posted... I'm not doing well mental health wise. I'm sorry to hear that and I hope you can find the help you need to get through it, but I'm afraid endangering other people isn't going to help. Zeus posted... Your explanation doesn't jive with what he said. Lockdowns-->lower case rates-->lower hospitalization rates-->lower risk that there will be more patients needing hospitalization than hospitals can handle=lower risk of overwhelming hospitals Duckbear left out the intermediate steps there, which means he didn't actually explain anything at all, but the overall premise and conclusion were there. Would modelling it help you understand? --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:961225898] in The point ... [t:79825906]...</cite> <quote>SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>I think the hospitals themselves will dissuade that from happening. When my father lost his fingers to a table saw a few years ago all the local emergency room did was offer to call him an ambulance to the next county over. Hospitals can't be overwhelmed if they don't accept patients.</quote> That means they were already overwhelmed. When hospitals refuse patients like that, it's either because they lack the specialties needed to take care of them (unlikely for something as routine as an amputation), or because they don't have the capacity to take on any more patients. That's mostly alright when going to the next county over is an option, but Covid's a much bigger problem than that: https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/a-man-died-after-he-couldn-t-get-a-cardiac-icu-bed-in-43-u-s-hospitals-due-to-pandemic-family-says-1.5583446 In many regions that are experiencing particularly bad outbreaks, not only are local hospitals full to capacity, nearby hospitals are also full to capacity because they're fighting the same outbreak. That's a particularly egregious story, but hospitals around the world are having patients that need ICU beds lying on stretchers in hallways while they wait for Covid patients to die so a bed is freed up. Quite simply, "hospitals can't be overwhelmed if they don't accept patients" is entirely the wrong way to look at it. I don't know if you're thinking about this in terms of doctors/nurses being overworked, or what, but it's talking about there being more patients than the health care system can handle. If hospitals in an area aren't accepting patients to the point that some don't get treated, that means the local health care system is overwhelmed. By definition. SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>I'm not doing well mental health wise.</quote> I'm sorry to hear that and I hope you can find the help you need to get through it, but I'm afraid endangering other people isn't going to help. Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>Your explanation doesn't jive with what he said.</quote> Lockdowns-->lower case rates-->lower hospitalization rates-->lower risk that there will be more patients needing hospitalization than hospitals can handle=lower risk of overwhelming hospitals Duckbear left out the intermediate steps there, which means he didn't actually explain anything at all, but the overall premise and conclusion were there. Would modelling it help you understand? --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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