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sktgamer_13dude posted...

You seemed to miss the point that its a comic book show, not based on real life, and the Track Suits had been trying to kill them the entire week.

Its like youre trying to do a deep dive to find every little thing that is or could be wrong with the show/MCU with irl physics instead of realizing this is a god damn comic book.

Yeah, some stuff will still be rooted in reality, but youre getting upset at things that arent realistic in a universe where New York City was almost destroyed by aliens, an entire town/nation was almost meteored into the Earth, theres magic sorcerers, and half the fucking world disappeared and came back 5 years later.

All of this is why no one will take your complaints seriously because theyre dumb fucking complaints.

Why didnt NYPD arrest Hawkeye for attacking the literal mafia????? Not realistic!!!!

Thats basically your complaints. And youre doing it with the Im totally a amateur cinematographer, so I know what Im talking about vibe to it.

You fundamentally misunderstand my argument.

Firstly, you can take alien invasion seriously, or any of the other fantastic threats the avengers have encountered seriously, Infinity War was crazy stakes AF but they took that serioulsy.

Secondly, it doesn't have to be realistic, but it has to have rules. Are these people in any danger? Is anybody in danger? What if anything can kill the heroes, what if anything can kill the villains? I can watch Lord of the Rings just fine even though it is very "not-realistic" because it is internally consistent. But bad Marvel (which is increasingly what disney marvel is becoming) doesn't seem to have rules. The people literally pointing guns at you and shooting at you also crack jokes at and with you and would be mortified if a single shot they fired connected and blew your head off. So then are they trying to kill you or not?

lolife67 posted...

You are aware that self-defense is different than cold-blooded murder, right? I'm sure Kate does.

Were the 20 people who got gutted by sword guy as they ran by "self-defense"?

I can live with a marvel that is baby-logic where injuries are like home alone and idea complexity is maxes out at power rangers level. But if disney-marvel keeps insisting on going in that direction then you are going to lose anybody who cares about plot.

If there are no stakes and no rules, it's bad writing.

So far this (particularly the last episode) and "falcon and winter soldier" (plus the black widow movie which was horrible in this regard, are recent instances of disney/marvel just not putting the effort in like they used to.

You can have well written kid friendly shows about alien invasions, and you can have shitty written R-rated domestic drama avant garde indie films about the human condition. Writing quality doesn't map to subject matter, so I don't know why some of you are comfortable giving a pass to Marvel lowering it's writing and "taking their universe seriously" standards.

I might make a video essay about this because some are you aren't getting it, but if you kick somebody out a flying plane, or if you shrink them to rodent size and then a rodent eating owl caries them off, or if you freeze off their limbs, or if you blow them up, or if you slice their gut with a sword, or if you fire rockets at their face, or if you collapse an avalanche on their building you don't get to say "aww no, they are totally fine" and then just have your writers make it so we never see anybody die so it's ok.

You did easily fatal attacks at them, it's bad writing to pretend that you didn't.

BUT I can live with that if we all admit they live in a looney toons "none of this is serious at all" world. But then
1. The show loses most of it's stakes, so if the audience is supposed to be invested in the theoretical danger, that's out the window.
And
2. You lose the right to do any "ok but this is serious now." moments. If falcon can kill 27 people, and Hawkeye/Hawkgirl can injure or potentially kill (but mostly in self defense) like 200. We don't get to pretend this is "realistic" or that it has stakes anymore.

"Yeah I shot a bomb arrow at a car and the car exploded into a fireball but that car was chasing us and so it is self defense plus I knew the writers would make it the kind of car exploding fireball that flips the car but not the kind that burns everybody alive inside even though it logically obviously totally could have been... PS THIS IS SERIOUS TV."

Daredevil was not bad writing baby tv, plenty of things in Marvel history were not bad writing baby tv, so forgive me for being upset that some of these series/movies feel totally ok becoming that. It seems like the best argument against me is "don't hold this to a higher standard than bad writing baby tv" but Marvel wasn't always like this, and has potential to be much better, so as long as I'm a sucker enough to keep getting roped into the shows, I still might be frustrated if they keep shirking the responsibility to write with respect to the source material or the audience.

A show like Avatar is probably perceived as more "kiddie" by some of you defending this, but I promise that wipes the floor with some of these shows when it comes to internal logic and respectful intelligent writing. Family friendly =/= badly written.

Look at Iron Man 1, Avengers 1, Infinity War, The Winter Soldier, or plenty of other Marvel. They are fantastical without being bad writing baby movies.

You can keep the same tone and ideas but execute the writing and stakes much better, they either didn't try or some execs at disney thought making it make sense to people over the age of 10 would make it "not kid friendly enough" (it wouldn't).