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Topic	Omicron is now most common coronavirus variant in U.S.
adjl 12/21/21 11:22:17 AM #16:	Amuseum posted... you vaxxers are the ones treating vax as the all-or-nothing solution that will solve the pandemic. that 100% vax rate will eliminate the virus. Herd immunity will eliminate the virus, or at least squash it to the point of no longer being epidemic (this is the definition of herd immunity). Whether or not the available vaccines are capable of reaching the herd immunity threshold without additional measures remains to be seen, particularly with vaccine-resistant variants thrown into the mix, but it remains true that higher vaccination rates than what the US can currently claim will be needed to get the virus under control. Depending on how well boosters are able to improve the situation, new vaccines may need to be rolled out to deal with omicron, but we'll see how the data pans out as more people get boosters. Nobody (that knows what they're talking about) is saying that 100% vaccination will make the whole thing disappear. That would likely have been the case before delta, but delta reduced the vaccines' efficacy by enough of a margin that further efforts to reduce the herd immunity threshold would likely still be needed. What people are saying is that vaccines are a critical part of the fight against Covid and that higher vaccination rates are going to be needed to wrangle it (and, in turn, that anti-vaxxers efforts to keep rates low are interfering with that). Omicron hasn't changed that, it's just making other measures (likely including boosters, for those that finished their first pair of shots a while ago and have been waiting for the rest of the country to get with the program) more necessary. Amuseum posted... well the nonvax hasn't been able to leave their houses, while the vax are going around spreading the virus. I'm not sure what land of fantasy victimhood you live in, but that's not actually the case in the vast majority of the US. The US' vaccine mandates have, by and large, been pretty toothless and inconsistently enforced in the areas where they've actually been put in place, and even that's a pretty small minority of regions. The unvaccinated still make up a disproportionate number of the country's cases, which becomes even more exaggerated when you look at hospitalizations, and more still for deaths. Nobody's actually banned from leaving their house; the worst "violation of their rights" they'll suffer is being turned away from a restaurant or two. Amuseum posted... yet at the same time, not only not take blame and shame when new variant is brought back from overseas via a vax carrier. instead put the entire blame on the nonvax who has done nothing wrong in this case. Tell you what: You find me (credible) data that indicates that the unvaccinated make up less than 40% of the US' Covid cases, and maybe I'll humour your efforts to claim that the vaccinated are to blame for its spread. Bonus points if you can also find that data specifically for omicron, but the point loses a lot of its weight when you consider that omicron is known to be vaccine-resistant (which we can mostly blame on the unvaccinated population for keeping case numbers high and providing the opportunity for variants to arise) and is therefore expected to spread among vaccinated populations. Nichtcrawler X posted... What are you talking about? We got a new lockdown here... The Netherlands are generally being more sensible about these things than the US. Large swaths of the US are doing nothing different, with some even welcoming omicron under the belief that it will out-compete deadlier variants. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:961100861] in Omicron is... [t:79819244]...</cite> <quote>Amuseum posted... </cite> <quote>you vaxxers are the ones treating vax as the all-or-nothing solution that will solve the pandemic. that 100% vax rate will eliminate the virus.</quote> Herd immunity will eliminate the virus, or at least squash it to the point of no longer being epidemic (this is the definition of herd immunity). Whether or not the available vaccines are capable of reaching the herd immunity threshold without additional measures remains to be seen, particularly with vaccine-resistant variants thrown into the mix, but it remains true that higher vaccination rates than what the US can currently claim will be needed to get the virus under control. Depending on how well boosters are able to improve the situation, new vaccines may need to be rolled out to deal with omicron, but we'll see how the data pans out as more people get boosters. Nobody (that knows what they're talking about) is saying that 100% vaccination will make the whole thing disappear. That would likely have been the case before delta, but delta reduced the vaccines' efficacy by enough of a margin that further efforts to reduce the herd immunity threshold would likely still be needed. What people are saying is that vaccines are a critical part of the fight against Covid and that higher vaccination rates are going to be needed to wrangle it (and, in turn, that anti-vaxxers efforts to keep rates low are interfering with that). Omicron hasn't changed that, it's just making other measures (likely including boosters, for those that finished their first pair of shots a while ago and have been waiting for the rest of the country to get with the program) more necessary. Amuseum posted... </cite> <quote>well the nonvax hasn't been able to leave their houses, while the vax are going around spreading the virus.</quote> I'm not sure what land of fantasy victimhood you live in, but that's not actually the case in the vast majority of the US. The US' vaccine mandates have, by and large, been pretty toothless and inconsistently enforced in the areas where they've actually been put in place, and even that's a pretty small minority of regions. The unvaccinated still make up a disproportionate number of the country's cases, which becomes even more exaggerated when you look at hospitalizations, and more still for deaths. Nobody's actually banned from leaving their house; the worst "violation of their rights" they'll suffer is being turned away from a restaurant or two. Amuseum posted... </cite> <quote>yet at the same time, not only not take blame and shame when new variant is brought back from overseas via a vax carrier. instead put the entire blame on the nonvax who has done nothing wrong in this case.</quote> Tell you what: You find me (credible) data that indicates that the unvaccinated make up less than 40% of the US' Covid cases, and maybe I'll humour your efforts to claim that the vaccinated are to blame for its spread. Bonus points if you can also find that data specifically for omicron, but the point loses a lot of its weight when you consider that omicron is known to be vaccine-resistant (which we can mostly blame on the unvaccinated population for keeping case numbers high and providing the opportunity for variants to arise) and is therefore expected to spread among vaccinated populations. Nichtcrawler X posted... </cite> <quote>What are you talking about? We got a new lockdown here...</quote> The Netherlands are generally being more sensible about these things than the US. Large swaths of the US are doing nothing different, with some even welcoming omicron under the belief that it will out-compete deadlier variants. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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