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Kenri posted...

Again FWIW, my take on this is that they are both absolutely (read: certainly, unquestionably, unconditionally) liars and that that doesn't imply they lie equally often or that they tell equally large lies, because it's obvious that Trump lies more often and more outrageously. I have no issue with fuming's post I just don't think the philosophical definition of "absolute" is meaningful here.

Ideally we'd have non-liar presidents but again lmao.

I agree with this and my entire point was that "its troubling people voted for a liar" is a weird comment since everybody in every vote has basically always voted for a liar- it isn't something anyone has been holding as a standard for politicians in anytime I can recall. and like Tony said, Biden and Trump were particularly notorious liars, even if not equivalent in that regard. People are voting based on many things, but "honesty" sure isn't one of them, because there is no punishment for lying when the only other option is supporting the party you don't align with in the real reasons you vote (self interest, ideology, how others in your society are treated , etc)