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Topic	Captain America is gay
ParanoidObsessive 03/17/21 2:30:54 PM #35:	EvilMegas posted... If it's not a straight white dude, its pandering. No exceptions Not really. Most comic fans were more than willing to accept Kamala Khan (Ms Marvel) when she debuted, and there was a fair amount of support for Jaime Reyes as Blue Beetle (after he shook off the initial hate because DC killed off a popular character in Ted Kord to clear a spot for him as a legacy character). Miles Morales was also a very popular addition to the roster (so much so that Marvel literally took him out of the alternate universe he debuted in and dropped him into the main Marvel universe). Then there's more marginal cases (like the Hispanic Spider-Man 2099 or Spider-Gwen). The key is generally whether or not a character feels like a well-written character who can be gay (or ethnic, or female, or whatever) as a part of their personality, or if they were created as a one-dimensional stereotype for Tumblr to masturbate over. And whether they're being introduced as a new character, or being shoehorned into someone else's legacy spandex at that original character's expense. Comic fans are most likely to pull the pandering card when the writing is shit, or when it feels so utterly forced you know it's a callous marketing attempt to try and exploit certain demographics in a vain hope of selling more comics. Usually, when people try to paint all dissent as "Oh, well, you just don't like women/people of color/alternative sexuality/etc", it's because someone has an agenda and they're looking to demonize criticism. It's possible to think something sucks because, you know, it actually sucks. (Like criticizing Carol Danvers Captain Marvel not because she's a woman, but because she's the most boring and irritating version of the character, and pointing out you'd have preferred they used the black girl or space lesbian versions of the character instead. But that would have been TOO MUCH diversity. Though I personally wonder if people bringing up "black Captain Marvel" is what led to her character being used in WandaVision, or if they were already planning to bring her into the movies at some point even before that, which is why we got the flashback version of her in the actual Captain Marvel movie. Hard to say with the MCU, because they do plan stuff pretty far ahead.) --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:951810130] in Captain Am... [t:79353150]...</cite> <quote><cite>EvilMegas posted...</cite> <quote>If it's not a straight white dude, its pandering. No exceptions </quote> Not really. Most comic fans were more than willing to accept Kamala Khan (Ms Marvel) when she debuted, and there was a fair amount of support for Jaime Reyes as Blue Beetle (after he shook off the initial hate because DC killed off a popular character in Ted Kord to clear a spot for him as a legacy character). Miles Morales was also a very popular addition to the roster (so much so that Marvel literally took him out of the alternate universe he debuted in and dropped him into the main Marvel universe). Then there's more marginal cases (like the Hispanic Spider-Man 2099 or Spider-Gwen). The key is generally whether or not a character feels like a well-written character who can be gay (or ethnic, or female, or whatever) as a part of their personality, or if they were created as a one-dimensional stereotype for Tumblr to masturbate over. And whether they're being introduced as a new character, or being shoehorned into someone else's legacy spandex at that original character's expense. Comic fans are most likely to pull the pandering card when the writing is shit, or when it feels so utterly forced you know it's a callous marketing attempt to try and exploit certain demographics in a vain hope of selling more comics. Usually, when people try to paint all dissent as "Oh, well, you just don't like women/people of color/alternative sexuality/etc", it's because someone has an agenda and they're looking to demonize criticism. It's possible to think something sucks because, you know, it actually sucks. (Like criticizing Carol Danvers Captain Marvel not because she's a woman, but because she's the most boring and irritating version of the character, and pointing out you'd have preferred they used the black girl or space lesbian versions of the character instead. But that would have been TOO MUCH diversity. Though I personally wonder if people bringing up "black Captain Marvel" is what led to her character being used in WandaVision, or if they were already planning to bring her into the movies at some point even before that, which is why we got the flashback version of her in the actual Captain Marvel movie. Hard to say with the MCU, because they do plan stuff pretty far ahead.) --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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