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Topic	Playing MGS4 for the first time in more than 10 years - still great! (spoilers)
LeonhartFour 02/10/21 6:21:09 PM #47:	ctesjbuvf posted... So how much are we actually supposed to understand that Ocelot had planned ahead and was in control? I seem to recall learning that Ocelot purposely let Liquid take over every time Snake appeared, but now I'm not sure where I learned that from. Did Snake actually beat Liquid out of Ocelot or could Ocelot have regained control at any point if he wanted to, but simply chose Liquid was leading him where he needed to be to succesfully take down the patriots? This is all a lot less clear in this game when it doesn't end with a monologue of him explaining how he was the mastermind. I don't think Ocelot let Liquid purposefully take over in MGS2. In that game, it seemed to be legit "getting possessed against his will" stuff, and his relationship with The Sorrow might be an explanation for it. I think he just took the idea, realized he could use it to his advantage, and ran with it after the events of MGS2. At that point, he willingly gives himself over to the Liquid "persona," and I always took the last boss sequence as Snake gradually beating Liquid out of him since the boss meter changes from "Liquid" to "Liquid Ocelot" to "Ocelot." I don't know if this has ever really been confirmed though. ctesjbuvf posted... Also, was this new foxdie specifically programmed to target EVA, Ocelot and Big Boss, or is it because foxdie was always made to target Liquid and all three kinda has his genes in them some way or another. It was designed to kill them all. Even the clones don't have exactly the same gene sequencing (except for Solidus), which the game takes time to point out. ctesjbuvf posted... Also, I'm not entirely certain why Naomi was being as mysterious as she was. I imagine Snake and Otacon wouldn't be on board with her pretending to be on Ocelot's side, even had she told them what she was planning. And I guess she wanted her betrayal to be more "believable" to Ocelot, who knows. --- http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/080/145/638.png https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:950500552] in Playing MG... [t:79280680]...</cite> <quote>ctesjbuvf posted... </cite> <quote>So how much are we actually supposed to understand that Ocelot had planned ahead and was in control? I seem to recall learning that Ocelot purposely let Liquid take over every time Snake appeared, but now I'm not sure where I learned that from. Did Snake actually beat Liquid out of Ocelot or could Ocelot have regained control at any point if he wanted to, but simply chose Liquid was leading him where he needed to be to succesfully take down the patriots? This is all a lot less clear in this game when it doesn't end with a monologue of him explaining how he was the mastermind.</quote> I don't think Ocelot let Liquid purposefully take over in MGS2. In that game, it seemed to be legit "getting possessed against his will" stuff, and his relationship with The Sorrow might be an explanation for it. I think he just took the idea, realized he could use it to his advantage, and ran with it after the events of MGS2. At that point, he willingly gives himself over to the Liquid "persona," and I always took the last boss sequence as Snake gradually beating Liquid out of him since the boss meter changes from "Liquid" to "Liquid Ocelot" to "Ocelot." I don't know if this has ever really been confirmed though. ctesjbuvf posted... </cite> <quote>Also, was this new foxdie specifically programmed to target EVA, Ocelot and Big Boss, or is it because foxdie was always made to target Liquid and all three kinda has his genes in them some way or another.</quote> It was designed to kill them all. Even the clones don't have exactly the same gene sequencing (except for Solidus), which the game takes time to point out. ctesjbuvf posted... </cite> <quote>Also, I'm not entirely certain why Naomi was being as mysterious as she was.</quote> I imagine Snake and Otacon wouldn't be on board with her pretending to be on Ocelot's side, even had she told them what she was planning. And I guess she wanted her betrayal to be more "believable" to Ocelot, who knows. --- http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/080/145/638.png https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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