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Topic	Remember when conspiracy theorists were mocked and derided?
MrMallard 02/08/21 4:51:59 PM #6:	CouldBeAnAlt posted... I remember when conspiracies were fun nonsense like jfk was assassinated by mole people with laser guns As I've gotten older, shit like that has gotten less innocent to me. Like idk if this is just me applying modern rhetoric to stupid loony bullshit from the past that's not necessarily that deep, but when I hear "mole people with laser guns", I can't help but hear an intended message of "Jews with top-secret weapons of the elite". We know that terms like "mole person" and "elite" can be anti-Semitic dogwhistles, and we also know that anti-semitism has existed throughout human history - Jewish people have been a scapegoat of the ruling class for dozens of generations at least. There were anti-semitic conspiracy theories years before WWII that might have introduced those nested meanings to terms like "elite" and "mole person", and those meanings could have survived into the 60's as opposed to being re-introduced to the discourse by the first wave of neo-Nazis. After all, even through WWII, America was a deeply anti-semitic nation - it's not much of a stretch for this prejudice to survive in fringe groups, even through the era where the horrors of Nazi Germany were still being extolled. The question is whether the conspiracy crowd of the 60s and beyond were using "mole person" exclusively to refer to a subterranean group of cryptids, or if there was an effort to conflate the idea of an underground race of masterminds committing murder to control the population with Jewish people. That can of worms has been opened. I'd like to go back to a point in time where I hear "mole person with a ray gun" and say "wow that's such a silly idea", but with the reality of the situation - with the deeply prejudiced underbelly of conspiracy theories and anti-science movements that speak in nested terms like that - I can't separate a silly word from a nefarious intended meaning that hate groups are using to this day. Conspiracy theories just aren't that innocent any more, because I'm not that innocent any more. --- I can feel it in my bones, I'm gonna spend another year alone. Now Playing: Persona 5, Minecraft <cite>MrMallard posted [p:950424975] in Remember w... [t:79284924]...</cite> <quote>CouldBeAnAlt posted... </cite> <quote>I remember when conspiracies were fun nonsense like jfk was assassinated by mole people with laser guns</quote>As I've gotten older, shit like that has gotten less innocent to me. Like idk if this is just me applying modern rhetoric to stupid loony bullshit from the past that's not necessarily that deep, but when I hear "mole people with laser guns", I can't help but hear an intended message of "Jews with top-secret weapons of the elite". We know that terms like "mole person" and "elite" can be anti-Semitic dogwhistles, and we also know that anti-semitism has existed throughout human history - Jewish people have been a scapegoat of the ruling class for dozens of generations at least. There were anti-semitic conspiracy theories years before WWII that might have introduced those nested meanings to terms like "elite" and "mole person", and those meanings could have survived into the 60's as opposed to being re-introduced to the discourse by the first wave of neo-Nazis. After all, even through WWII, America was a deeply anti-semitic nation - it's not much of a stretch for this prejudice to survive in fringe groups, even through the era where the horrors of Nazi Germany were still being extolled. The question is whether the conspiracy crowd of the 60s and beyond were using "mole person" exclusively to refer to a subterranean group of cryptids, or if there was an effort to conflate the idea of an underground race of masterminds committing murder to control the population with Jewish people. That can of worms has been opened. I'd like to go back to a point in time where I hear "mole person with a ray gun" and say "wow that's such a silly idea", but with the reality of the situation - with the deeply prejudiced underbelly of conspiracy theories and anti-science movements that speak in nested terms like that - I can't separate a silly word from a nefarious intended meaning that hate groups are using to this day. Conspiracy theories just aren't that innocent any more, because I'm not that innocent any more. --- I can feel it in my bones, I'm gonna spend another year alone. Now Playing: Persona 5, Minecraft</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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