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TopicIt turns out people were wrong about Tolkien's Orcs (the controversy)
specialkid8
01/28/21 9:20:23 AM
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Funkydog posted...
So is there any evidence of Tolkien's thoughts on the Irish is that just one person's assumptions?

This. Orcs were never portrayed as ape-like anyway so any comparison to black people or Irish people being compared to apes is completely beside the point. Tolkien took inspiration from the real world but really made everything his own. I doubt anyone would look at the depiction of Dwarves and say "Yep, those are Jews".

Orcs being coded as black people has always been idiotic to begin with. It just shows peoples' inherent bias when they see any depiction of "savages" as having to be an analogue for black people. It's fantasy; you can make people as evil, or stupid, or savage as you want and it doesn't have to be analogues to more complex real world people. Also, black people are hardly the only ones to ever be called savages in the real world so even when fiction shows actual savages that share very few or no similarities with real world analogues "savage=black" is beyond stupid.

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