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dud posted...

Maybe people wouldn't be such "washouts" if their retail jobs actually paid a livable wage, didn't have shit benefits, and weren't constantly discouraging their employees from taking time off. I know that it really sucks to work with flaky people but you could have a little more sympathy. I've only had to do such jobs knowing they're temporary for me, but if I was someone who basically reached the point where I was convinced "Yep, this is pretty much going to be your adult life now" I would probably have an extremely hard time giving a shit too.

Some people make mistakes and poor decisions when they're children, then we expect them to pay for it the rest of their lives. It's fucked up. Sure, some of them are able to turn it around, but still not without being pretty much told by society they're on their own to fix everything in their life.

I went a little bit on a tangent there but knowing Zeus, his post just seemed like it was dripping with his usual contempt for poor people

lolwut? That's a lot of circular troll logic in there. First, if your argument is "oh, well, the problem is these employees are poor and really need money" then they should be taking the job MORE seriously, not less seriously because they'd be looking to take extra shifts and for advancement, instead of calling out during the shifts they do have (at which point a worker who actually does want or need the money steps up) and slacking off when they're supposed to be working.

I'm not sure whether to bother dissecting the rest of your troll post, although you've rather ridiculously conflated retail workers with poor people when in fact most retail workers are temporary, as even you acknowledge you were and suggest that's why you didn't take your job seriously at the time -- yet, for some bizarre reason, defend others for similarly shitty work ethics. Most people in retail tend to work short spans in retail before going off to do other things, so there's a constant turnover. However, life-long retail workers who take their job seriously DO eventually a living wage (sometimes very quickly -- you have some kids in management roles at the age of 20 pulling in over $50k which, even in my state, is livable), because they wind up in either in management or have raises over time. Meanwhile the ones who don't tend to flit between jobs because they can't stay anywhere.

But keep making excuses for poor behavior while simultaneously acknowledging you behaved poorly because you didn't take it seriously yourself then taking offense when I criticize people for not taking people seriously and then advancing completely disingenuous defenses that you know damn well from personal experience aren't true.

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