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Topic	Politics Containment Topic 311: Ye says Nay
xp1337 07/16/20 12:23:37 PM #117:	pyresword posted... So I've been seeing a lot of fear-mongering on Twitter about the fact that Trump appears to have (partially) cut the CDC out of reporting COVID data. Have people been able to figure out how justified this is? It obviously makes for a bad headline, but the CDC themselves seem to be saying that the motion makes sense. And the particulars that I've found seem to suggest that this is a legitimate attempt to increase the efficiency of the nation's healthcare response, and would not even be effective at surpressing broader information on virus spread from the public if that were the goal: Quote from this news article: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/coronavirus-data-funneled-cdc-sparking-worries-71805842 Does anyone who is more informed on what this change actually does have a different understanding than mine? https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/us/politics/trump-cdc-coronavirus.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/07/15/coronavirus-trump-administration-data-change/ Apologies for multiple links but the NYT and WaPo articles compliment each other pretty well in trying to get a picture of this because while they generally touch on the same areas they provide different information that can be put together. WaPo reports that hospitals, particularly smaller ones, are concerned about having to have their staff learn how to use the new system in the middle of a pandemic. NYT in describing the system seems to portray it as a step back in that the new system is rather antiquated in its approach to data management. Furthermore, putting the data in the hands of HHS directly and a private contractor would make it much easier to politicize which I think we can all agree is a reasonable concern with this administration. 4 former CDC directors wrote a public op-ed criticizing this very decision. The article you linked even notes that the administration has been putting pressure on hospitals to use their system here in the form of "incentives" (as it existed previously alongside the CDC's collection and reporting to the states), saying that when they were seeing how to distribute treatments like remdesivir they sometimes used whether a hospital was using their system as a factor. So even if they're preserving the "report through the states" method that's uh... heavy-handed seems like a severe understatement in a literal life-or-death matter like distribution of treatments. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/transparency-questions-hospitals-directed-report-covid-data-hhs/story?id=71803141 Another ABC News article notes that while it's said the CDC will retain the info, it's unclear whether that information will be made available outside the government (i.e. it's possible the CDC may well still have it all but only internally and it may not be available to the public/researchers/etc.) which would obviously be... very bad. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/15/trump-administration-orders-hospitals-not-send-covid-19-data-cdc/5441730002/ And indeed, just yesterday the CDC's COVID-19 data abruptly disappeared from public view and the CDC confirmed the disappearance was a consequence of the switch. Now, as of this morning, when news agencies started requesting comment from HHS on this, they said they'd instruct CDC to put it back up but that's not exactly a promising sign about the intent here. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:942188023] in Politics C... [t:78848987]...</cite> <quote>pyresword posted... </cite> <quote>So I've been seeing a lot of fear-mongering on Twitter about the fact that Trump appears to have (partially) cut the CDC out of reporting COVID data. Have people been able to figure out how justified this is? It obviously makes for a bad headline, but the CDC themselves seem to be saying that the motion makes sense. And the particulars that I've found seem to suggest that this is a legitimate attempt to increase the efficiency of the nation's healthcare response, and would not even be effective at surpressing broader information on virus spread from the public if that were the goal: Quote from this news article: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/coronavirus-data-funneled-cdc-sparking-worries-71805842 Does anyone who is more informed on what this change actually does have a different understanding than mine?</quote>https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/us/politics/trump-cdc-coronavirus.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/07/15/coronavirus-trump-administration-data-change/ Apologies for multiple links but the NYT and WaPo articles compliment each other pretty well in trying to get a picture of this because while they generally touch on the same areas they provide different information that can be put together. WaPo reports that hospitals, particularly smaller ones, are concerned about having to have their staff learn how to use the new system in the middle of a pandemic. NYT in describing the system seems to portray it as a step back in that the new system is rather antiquated in its approach to data management. Furthermore, putting the data in the hands of HHS directly and a private contractor would make it much easier to politicize which I think we can all agree is a reasonable concern with this administration. 4 former CDC directors wrote a public op-ed criticizing this very decision. The article you linked even notes that the administration has been putting pressure on hospitals to use their system here in the form of "incentives" (as it existed previously alongside the CDC's collection and reporting to the states), saying that when they were seeing how to distribute treatments like remdesivir they sometimes used whether a hospital was using their system as a factor. So even if they're preserving the "report through the states" method that's uh... heavy-handed seems like a severe understatement in a literal life-or-death matter like distribution of treatments. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/transparency-questions-hospitals-directed-report-covid-data-hhs/story?id=71803141 Another ABC News article notes that while it's said the CDC will retain the info, it's unclear whether that information will be made available outside the government (i.e. it's possible the CDC may well still have it all but only internally and it may not be available to the public/researchers/etc.) which would obviously be... very bad. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/15/trump-administration-orders-hospitals-not-send-covid-19-data-cdc/5441730002/ And indeed, just yesterday the CDC's COVID-19 data abruptly disappeared from public view and the CDC confirmed the disappearance was a consequence of the switch. Now, as of this morning, when news agencies started requesting comment from HHS on this, they said they'd instruct CDC to put it back up but that's not exactly a promising sign about the intent here. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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