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zebatov posted...

to take jobs from us while Canadians without COVID were out of work.

When you were laid off from your job for Covid, did you at any point think "hey, maybe I'll use this free time to go work in agriculture to help out with the labour shortage they always face!"? Somehow, I doubt it, and you're very much not alone in that. Sure, it would have been nice to staff every business that has used TFW's since the shutdown started with laid-off Canadians, but in practice, that was never a plausible alternative, and suspending the TFW program in hopes that that might catch on would just have resulted in the collapse of the agriculture industry (among other essential jobs).

By and large, the TFW program is used to fill necessary positions that Canadians just aren't interested in. It has no shortage of problems (some of which started under Harper and Trudeau hasn't fixed them yet, some of which are new under Trudeau) and is routinely abused by unscrupulous employers who care nothing for the living conditions of the workers they hire under it (which contributes significantly to the risk of Covid transmission), but for the most part, it's not taking jobs away from Canadians. Canadians are giving those jobs away because they don't want them.

zebatov posted...

people from foreign countries with high cases of COVID

If executed properly, there's no reason TFW's should present a risk of Covid transmission in the areas where they're used. The problem arises not in that they're coming from high-risk areas, but that the people employing them aren't interested in funding the two weeks of isolation they need to undergo upon arriving to render their origins irrelevant. That would mean two weeks of not working while being supplied with all the food and necessities they'd need, as well as a translator to overcome the problem of language barriers (even native English speakers have trouble with the concept of "asymptomatic transmission" and the need to isolate despite feeling fine), which is a non-trivial amount of money to be spending on workers that employers are trying to cheap out on. That really should have been a requirement for the TFW program this year.

zebatov posted...

Trump made mistakes in his past and people still hold him accountable, Mead.

The key difference being that Trump seems uninterested in repenting for or learning from said mistakes. Somebody dressing up in brownface in 2001 then welcoming tens of thousands of middle eastern refugees during a major crisis in 2016 has repented for the former mistake (and also explicitly apologized). Most of Trump's mistakes, he denies making, deflects from, or gaslights people in an effort to convince them that the mistakes were trivial, which is why people keep trying to hold him accountable.

Quite simply, if people account for their mistakes, you no longer need to hold them accountable. That work has been done already and you should move on. If people seemingly aren't interested in accountability, that's when you keep pushing the issue.

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Gladly. Demanding that people lose jobs or otherwise be erased from the public eye over past conduct that they've grown beyond and/or apologized for is ridiculous. They still need to face justice for any actual crimes committed, and depending on the severity of the mistakes, repenting may take a whole lot of work, but past wrongs can and should be forgiven if the person has put actual effort into earning forgiveness.

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