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TopicOfficer who shot suspect that tazed police has been fired.
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 12:29:35 AM
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zinezinzadan posted...
I dont understand why the officer was fired. In their employee contract it clearly states that you are allowed to neutralize a threat at all costs if you are being attacked. The officers were being attacked, on camera, with video evidence.... This is the grey area where I, a BLM supporter, start to lose respect for some individuals when I read the comments on social media.

A couple of posts from the other topic:

Guns_of_Verdun posted...
A good comparison:

I remember when people were mocking that 15 second clip of the UK polie backing away from a dude with a knife and everyone laughed at them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmTNZfR4dNw

Hell look at the comments, people are still angry and laughing that the police didn't shoot him.

Note that the footage cuts at 15 seconds because moments later the police then arrested him and no one was hurt. That man is still alive in prison.

The idea of "The man is potentially dangerous therefore it's okay to kill him" is following the letter rather than the spirit of the law.

Police have the authority to kill people if they need too. It's not supposed to be a blanket statement of "Oh boy, now you get to get away with doing it if you want too!" it's not a privliege, it's a protection.

That's why people are upset. You're going "But the letter of the law says the police are allowed to kill him. Therefore it's okay that they killed him. They would have looked silly if they didn't kill him and then just arrested him or something." and that upsets people because you've lost the point of what any of this is supposed to be.


Guns_of_Verdun posted...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_by_country

Specifically we'll be looking at deaths per 10 million people, so we can get a feel for the company that the US shares

As a baseline, in the US, cops kill 46.6 per 10 million (2019). How do the countries with similar numbers compare?

Democratic Republic of the Congo: 47.8 (2018)
Iraq: 45.1 (2019)
Nigeria: 44.0 (2018)
Kenya: 43.5 (2018)

Well that's weird, those aren't typically the countries you see associated with America. Let's check in on our brothers and sisters in Europe

Germany: 1.3 (2018)
France: 3.8 (2018)
U.K.: 0.5 (2018)

Hmm.

Their "luck" seems to be paying off. It seems like Every first world country except America is "lucky" and countries facing unrest, civil wars, terrorism and an unstable governments are "unlucky."

Unlucky England has a knife crime problem and yet almost 1% of the amount of police killings the US has.

Also says it all that you can't justify why. Just saying "They are dumb"

Hell you didn't respond to anything else I said either

The question becomes what do you WANT?

Do you want the police to uphold the law at all costs no matter what. Regardless of the what the law is or the circumstances or the consequences.

Or do you want the police to try to make society a better and safer place by protecting and serving the people.

Because you are right. Legally the cops are allowed to kill any perp who has a weapon no matter the circumstances. The law has to be written that way to protect cops. But it's not in the interests of society for police to use that protection as a priviledge to just kill anyone they are allowed too. They should have some skill and training to handle situations with least amount of bloodshed and death as possible.


Whether or not the actions are legal are not always the point. A cop can kill anyone who has a weapon, that doesn't mean that they SHOULD. That's a law for desperation, not an excuse.

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