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Topic	SPOILER TOPIC The Last of Us Part 2 SPOILERS
PrivateBiscuit1 06/14/20 1:04:56 PM #92:	Sorozone posted... People are upset with the handling of Joel, based on the first 3 hours of the game, with no additional context of a 25-30 hour game? Outside of some bits that have to do with the ending. Who knows maybe she is a psychopath who just wants blood. Maybe there is no additional context to her character or Joel's death in the...I dunno other 80 percent of the game. I mean, there's not much else to handle with Joel when he's dead. Because he ceases to be. What we know now is that halfway through the game, we get to see Abby killing Joel from her point of view, and we get a further flashback of Abby sobbing over his whitewashed father's dead body as a child. So it makes it clear this is her entire motivation here. The problem is when they present his death here, 2 hours in, with no nuance at all. Just straight up Abby is saved by him, Abby tricks him into coming to her group, she shoots him in the knee with a shotgun, and then Abby tortures and kills him in front of Ellie. This is all presented with the only break between being Abby torturing him, which isn't seen but only heard by Ellie. So we see every moment of this where she's actively fooling a good-natured person who saved her life with the intent to murder him in cold blood. Narratively, what you're asking people to do now is wait around as you continue to play as Abby who comes across as entirely unlikable and vile, because they may further justify her actions later. It's extremely hard to think of some reason they can give her to justify the way they went about it here. Maybe if Abby had talked with Joel, or tried to get answers, or they had some kind of dialogue, maybe it's reasonable to say "Hey, maybe she has a good reason." But as presented, it's a gigantic ask of the player to continue playing someone they actively know did a really horrible, unfair thing on the off chance she might have a good excuse for having killed him in such a way later. --- Check out my entertainment blog!: www.heroicbiz.com I discuss video games, comics, movies, and TV! <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:940659660] in **SPOILER ... [t:78769258]...</cite> <quote>Sorozone posted... </cite> <quote>People are upset with the handling of Joel, based on the first 3 hours of the game, with no additional context of a 25-30 hour game? Outside of some bits that have to do with the ending. Who knows maybe she is a psychopath who just wants blood. Maybe there is no additional context to her character or Joel's death in the...I dunno other 80 percent of the game.</quote>I mean, there's not much else to handle with Joel when he's dead. Because he ceases to be. What we know now is that halfway through the game, we get to see Abby killing Joel from her point of view, and we get a further flashback of Abby sobbing over his whitewashed father's dead body as a child. So it makes it clear this is her entire motivation here. The problem is when they present his death here, 2 hours in, with no nuance at all. Just straight up Abby is saved by him, Abby tricks him into coming to her group, she shoots him in the knee with a shotgun, and then Abby tortures and kills him in front of Ellie. This is all presented with the only break between being Abby torturing him, which isn't seen but only heard by Ellie. So we see every moment of this where she's actively fooling a good-natured person who saved her life with the intent to murder him in cold blood. Narratively, what you're asking people to do now is wait around as you continue to play as Abby who comes across as entirely unlikable and vile, because they may further justify her actions later. It's extremely hard to think of some reason they can give her to justify the way they went about it here. Maybe if Abby had talked with Joel, or tried to get answers, or they had some kind of dialogue, maybe it's reasonable to say "Hey, maybe she has a good reason." But as presented, it's a gigantic ask of the player to continue playing someone they actively know did a really horrible, unfair thing on the off chance she might have a good excuse for having killed him in such a way later. --- Check out my entertainment blog!: www.heroicbiz.com I discuss video games, comics, movies, and TV!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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