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Topic	Politics Containment Topic 255: A Holiday Present From Tulsi
xp1337 12/28/19 6:05:35 PM #232:	No, you're positing a hypothetical that IF Sanders wins the nomination and IF he loses the general and IF there's similar or higher levels of democrats not voting for him all before a single vote has been cast in the primary. That's what I'm saying chill and wait on. If it turns out that scenario plays out as you fear then crow about it if you like. But to say it now before anything has happened feels like either playing the victim or just another framing to take another shot at "establishment dems." Yes, there's vitriol being tossed about between Sanders supporters and the more moderate wing of the party. Both sides are engaging in it. It's not really anything new. Hell, I'm not even sure we've reached peak 2008 levels of "jesus christ" yet either here or 2016. I mean, that one got so acrimonious we had Clinton state she wasn't conceding the race yet because what happened to RFK could happen to Obama. I remember because I was livid that she actually said that. I'm not saying that there isn't trash being thrown at Sanders or anything. There absolutely is. But not only are his supporters also throwing it (even Warren of all people is becoming some neoliberal sellout if I'm to believe some pro-Sanders people and media personalities) but I don't even really think any of it is atypical really. Charitabily I'm left with the impression that for a lot of Sanders supporters their knowledge of how primary dialogue goes began in 2016 and don't realize what they're "going through" is not new or unusual. Like I said, PUMA was treated in much the same way as "BernieBros" back in 2008. They were mocked, they were challenged on supporting GOP policy/Bush policy just because they didn't get their candidate, racism was brought up, and the media gave them more coverage than they should have gotten. You want to know why we don't talk/care about them anymore and Sanders is still brought up in the context of 2016? Because Obama won. They were laughed at for a few days after the election and then forgotten about. That's why. Maybe you don't think that's fair, but if you're claiming that the treatment of Sanders supporters/Bernie or Bust is something unprecedented. It really isn't. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:932168871] in Politics C... [t:78275618]...</cite> <quote>No, you're positing a hypothetical that IF Sanders wins the nomination and IF he loses the general and IF there's similar or higher levels of democrats not voting for him all before a single vote has been cast in the primary. That's what I'm saying chill and wait on. If it turns out that scenario plays out as you fear then crow about it if you like. But to say it now before anything has happened feels like either playing the victim or just another framing to take another shot at "establishment dems." Yes, there's vitriol being tossed about between Sanders supporters and the more moderate wing of the party. Both sides are engaging in it. It's not really anything new. Hell, I'm not even sure we've reached peak 2008 levels of "jesus christ" yet either here or 2016. I mean, that one got so acrimonious we had Clinton state she wasn't conceding the race yet because what happened to RFK could happen to Obama. I remember because I was livid that she actually said that. I'm not saying that there isn't trash being thrown at Sanders or anything. There absolutely is. But not only are his supporters also throwing it (even Warren of all people is becoming some neoliberal sellout if I'm to believe some pro-Sanders people and media personalities) but I don't even really think any of it is atypical really. Charitabily I'm left with the impression that for a lot of Sanders supporters their knowledge of how primary dialogue goes began in 2016 and don't realize what they're "going through" is not new or unusual. Like I said, PUMA was treated in much the same way as "BernieBros" back in 2008. They were mocked, they were challenged on supporting GOP policy/Bush policy just because they didn't get their candidate, racism was brought up, and the media gave them more coverage than they should have gotten. You want to know why we don't talk/care about them anymore and Sanders is still brought up in the context of 2016? Because Obama won. They were laughed at for a few days after the election and then forgotten about. That's why. Maybe you don't think that's fair, but if you're claiming that the treatment of Sanders supporters/Bernie or Bust is something unprecedented. It really isn't. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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